Home » Artwork » Western Art History: 500 Years of Women Ignoring Men Western Art History: 500 Years of Women Ignoring Men Mallory Ortberg on June 10, 2014 in Artwork 15282110 Commentshttp%3A%2F%2Fthe-toast.net%2F2014%2F06%2F10%2Fwomen-ignoring-men-as-art%2FWestern+Art+History%3A+500+Years+of+Women+Ignoring+Men2014-06-10+16%3A00%3A15Mallory+Ortberghttp%3A%2F%2Fthe-toast.net%2F%3Fp%3D15282 “I think she’s really into it. Another set?” “Yeah, she’s definitely really into it. Let’s play another set.” “Heyyyy.” “Hi.” “What are you doing?” “Writing a letter.” “Haha, yeah, I can see that, awesome, that’s awesome…who are you writing to?” “My mother.” “Right on, right on…” [stretches] “So what’s new?” “I’m actually going to be busy for a while, writing this letter.” “Sure, for sure.” “Can’t really talk right now.” “Oh, it’s no problem, I can wait.” “Oh, my God, is he still there?” “I don’t know, but — oh my God, don’t look up, don’t look at him, he’s going to start playing again. Christ.” “Okay, but did you like, really hear the difference between the two versions?” “No, I definitely did, I totally see what you mean –” “I’ll play it again.” “Oh, my God, Tess, don’t encourage him. You’re terrrrrible.” “No, I’m serious! That was so good! Can you play another one? You’re, like, really good at this.” maybe if I pretend to fall asleep he’ll get the hint “What? No, I’m just — it’s really good flauting. I’m just so impressed by how good it is, your flauting. Flaut some more.” “I would love to go out tonight but I’m…I’m dying.” [coughs weakly into handkerchief] “Oh, my God.” “Yeah. It’s consumption, so.” “I’m so sorry.” “No, it’s fine.” “I will stay and nurse you.” “No, you won’t.” “Hi, I just wanted to tell you, I thought you looked really beautiful out there tonight.” “Oh, thank you.” “I don’t know if anyone’s ever told you that before, but I really felt like there was a sadness to your performance that maybe not everyone noticed, but I noticed it.” “Thank you!…Sorry, how did you get backstage?” “I just wanted to tell you, in case you thought nobody had noticed.” “Okay, well, thank you — sorry, I think that’s my dress — I have to go finish dancing now.” “Right, of course.” “So maybe you should go back to your seat.” “Oh, I’m fine right here.” “I’m so sorry, I no speak ze English.” “Ah! That is no problem to me, I also speak French.” “I speak no French.” “But I just heard you –” “I speak no French, monsieur. Good day to you.” “Hey. Hey. Hi. Hey. Yellow. Girl in the yellow dress. Can you hear me? Hey. Hey. I’m talking to you.” “Yes?” “So do you come to court a lot or what” “Hi, sorry, this is a women-only balcony.” “Women’s balcony, sorry.” “Male balcony’s over there, this balcony is all-women, sorry!” okay just look like you’re listening and look at his eyebrows Tags: are you still here, art history, artwork, misandry, western art, women ignoring men Related PostsWomen Listening To Men In Western Art History“We’re Fine Here, How Are You?” Normal Moments In Art History Where No One Is About To Get Murdered“Nuns Can’t Paint”: Sexism, Medieval Art, and Dudes on MopedsWestern Art: 600 Years of Women Getting Out Of BathtubsVarious Historical Eras Answer The Age-Old Question “What Is Art?” Normal Conversations In Western Art History About Author by Mallory Ortberg Mallory is an Editor of The Toast. 15282Latest Commentshttp%3A%2F%2Fthe-toast.net%2F2014%2F06%2F10%2Fwomen-ignoring-men-as-art%2FWestern+Art+History%3A+500+Years+of+Women+Ignoring+Men2014-06-10+16%3A00%3A15Mallory+Ortberghttp%3A%2F%2Fthe-toast.net%2F%3Fp%3D15282 MacCrocodile Art history would be so much prettier if they smiled. keythah My boss just asked me why I was crying if I wasn't sad, and I said "well, they are Crocodile tears, in a way". Teka Lynn Smiling is for hussies with good teeth. Anne http://stoptellingwomentosmile.com/ HariboLector Please accept this gift of 1 (one) internet – which you have won fair and square, making it not really a gift at all, technically. koneile ughhhh, aren't women sick of men telling them to smile by now? noor no rat_paws "oh my God, don’t look up, don’t look at him, he’s going to start playing again. Christ." 100% exactly how I feel when any young man attempts to play the guitar within 200 feet of me Elyse "Anyway, here's Wonderwall" hugpunch I have this vivid memory of being a high school senior and this douchebag just playing his guitar (newly learned skills, you see) in the hallway, and singing "Landslide," and all I could think was "You monster you apologize to Stevie right this second" but I was meeker then. Emby And aft'r all, thou're mineth wond'reth wallllll Amylou Generally I find they play AT you. Hijacking the conversation you're in the middle of and have to trail off as they approach way too close… EPWordsnatcher <img src="http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Road_fe0441_1027017.gif"> Chai Latte Best. Use. of gif. EVER. *STRUMMING INTENSIFIES* hugpunch This spans generations. I was talking with my mom about why I can't stand This Guy who was getting married. Mom: "Why don't you like him? He seems nice! He's a rancher!" hugpunch: "Ugh, mom, I went to this Halloween party and we were all dressed up and having a good time and This Guy shows up without a costume, finds the acoustic guitar and sits in the middle of the living room and just starts strumming, even though there was music playing." Mom: "Oh no, one of those." rat_paws Aughhhhh noooooooo Amphora My roommate's friend would do this, AND he only knew Dave Matthews songs. When he started, everyone would look at each other, then slowly get up and leave the room one by one. We could hear him singing by himself after everyone had cleared out. hugpunch "'Crash Into Me' is about a Peeping Tom, you perv." CaroWR Every time I'm on Amtrak there are always at least five college-aged guys lugging their guitars with them and I always feel bad for the friends and family who will inevitably be subjected to music they did not ask for. John St. Jelly Funny, I'm a young(ish) man (28 is still young, right? oh god please tell me it is) and in the 12 years I've been playing guitar, I've never once played AT anyone or tried to use it to impress. Occasionally, someone will ask me to play or–shudder–to bring a guitar to a party–and I'm consistently all, like, nope. Nobody likes that guy. Egad, a humble guitarist. Guess I really am a keeper. Silver Deer So, men have been trying and failing to impress woman by playing instruments since the dawn of time. You;d think they'd have caught on by now. blushingflower The problem is that it works every once in a while, so the intermittent reward makes them think they stand a chance. evieskye I have never been serenaded with an instrument but a college bf sang to me. He was so earnest and it was so awkward I laughed in his face. Didn't mean to, just couldn't help it. We didn't last much longer after that. Maybe some of these ladies are just trying really, really hard not to bust out laughing. rat_paws YUP I always said if that ever happened to me I would do the same depizan My mom went on a first date with a guy when she was in college (late 60s). He serenaded her with Something Good from The Sound of Music (the ultra cheesy Maria/Captain duet). She didn't laugh but said she had no idea what to do with that so just stood there awkwardly. There was no second date. winterbymorning I once had a guy ask, post-coitus, "Can I sing you something?" I said "Uh" because nothing in my life prior to that had prepared me for this or even hinted that this might be a possibility. He proceeded to serenade me with "I gotta get back to Hogwarts" from A Very Potter Musical. shellm That's marriage material in my books! :) LOL! MamacitaConPistoles Oh, and let us not forget that great subset, the Singing Into Your Voicemail Like That's Going To Make You Want To Call Back Because ROMANTIC. Dudes. DUDES. CinematiqueChic My college boyfriend did the same, as an anniversary "gift." I don't know what was worse – the serenading itself, the fact that he sang Everything I Do I Do It For You, or that he'd asked a friend of ours to accompany on guitar so there is a witness to one of the most embarrassing experiences of my life. It was just awful. anachronistique "Yeah, it's consumption, so." <img src="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1eqwxLVPQ1qdt09k.gif"> deitybox please please tell me how to post a gif in html. I am trying to no avail. anachronistique Right-click on the gif you want to use and select "Copy Image Location" or similar. When you're writing up your brilliant comment, use this code: [img src="image location goes here"] Except replace the square brackets [ ] with pointy ones! < > NB not all sites let you hotlink a GIF so it may not show up anyway. keythah Upload your gifs to imgur. I created an album of just reactions so that I could both (a) hotlink them and (b) keep track of them. Mine is http://imgur.com/a/7obtG#0 EPWordsnatcher "So do you come to court a lot or what" DEAD. kilks401 omg her body language is soooooooo uncomfortable and perfect for that line. heartstillatwar This post is perfection. Ialdagorth How do the monks feel about this? MacCrocodile "Hey, do women…" "Do women what?" "Do they ever, like, acknowledge men's existence?" "How do you mean?" "Like, do women ever look directly at a guy?" "Never." "Never? That can't be right." "Ever happened to you?" "No." "Me neither. Never happens. Now finish your art, it's time for vespers or whatever." queerwolves VERY, VERY CELIBATE GreenGrasses Girl in picture #2 is obviously writing her queer feminist political lesbian manifesto. monkeybutter <img src="http://i.imgur.com/cBkRXnC.jpg" width="600"> lol hope you don't need that finger… icebergmama she looks like she's looking at the painter going "I know, RIGHT?!" and trying not to laugh. monkeybutter It was painted by a woman, so I have no doubt that is EXACTLY what's going on. hugpunch Her outfit looks more masculine than his, so I'm going with she's the knight and he's her brother who tried to be a warrior but failed. kilks401 or just wanted to be a magician way more and so they switched places. lurker Alanna! Ana Did you just make a Lioness Quartet joke? Because I love you for it. supergogo Hey letter-writer-botherer, next step is to take a turn about the room so she can admire your figure while walking. MamacitaConPistoles Oh wait, wait. Admire her stile of writing! And offer to fix her pen! Amylou I would so much rather listen to an audio tour of this! ArsenioB_Ham Oh man, I don't even want to think about what Top Hat Man is doing or trying to do to that ballerina. yrpretendfriend straightwhiteboystexting.tumblr.com yrpretendfriend "just writing a letter" "nice, nice. so r u a virgin" vmartinipie haha and then what ;) EPWordsnatcher "wana bang" DIRTBAGS IN TEXT FORM. Amazing. EPWordsnatcher <img src="http://24.media.tumblr.com/e27e62f537c0c6c0b5eafd1088a7d952/tumblr_n6m186Edzw1tpdteqo1_1280.jpg"> This is perfect and beautiful. hugpunch Thank you for sharing this. I just sent it to all my coworkers, who are all straight white boys, and said, "Here's a nice example of what not to do while wooing." aquamarinaveen i am laughing and also hiding in shame at having said yes to similar approaches vmartinipie Has anyone else had like, a banner couple of weeks for having to do this shit out in public? I don't know what the fuck is in the air or emitting from my person but it has been really bad lately, which you'd think anyone with half a brain aware of the News would realize was a shit idea. DoubtfulGuest Yes. And the aggressive and/or flat-out gross factor has been higher than usual. samaraweiss I was wondering if it wasn't maybe because of the news. As if all the people who Would Do That Sort of Thing are suddenly being informed by the news feeds that it's not a good thing to do, and they feel very uncomfortable about themselves, and decide to stand closer and closer and closer to women they don't know on subway platforms, or shout "Hey, you can come to my place any time, just say when!" in people's faces as they get off trains, just to prove that it isn't such a terrible thing to do, because it's not like the women they did it to died. SaraClue Don't forget "The Irritating Gentleman" <img src="http://images.arcadja.com/woltze_berthold-the_irritating_gentleman~OM7fb300~10509_20111011_38N11011_71.jpg"> EPWordsnatcher THANK YOU, I was looking for this for ten minutes this morning after this post went up and could not find it. avidbiologist YESSSSSS clairelittoncohn I found a note about this painting on Tumblr from an art historian that I thought made it even more poignant…look at what she's wearing: all black. This is DEEP MOURNING. She's distraught, there are tears in her eyes and she's traveling alone, which most young women didn't do at the time…she's probably a young widow, recently bereaved. And this dude is pushing himself into her space and demanding attention. The only way commentary on these paintings could be improved is if they finished with "…and then she ripped out his intestines and strung them on a lute." aravisthequeen I was actually going to point this out–she's in mourning. Additionally at the time, there is NO WAY he would not have known that. It's as blatant for the time period as if she was wearing a sign that says HELLO RECENTLY BEREAVED HERE. Which pushes this into a category from "irritating" to "potential victimizer." THAT is how blatant it is. MamacitaConPistoles How much do we want to bet he's calculating her inheritance/(financial) worth from her clothes? Graham You gotta seize a chance if you see it. With her husband just dead, she's available. I see *absolutely* nothing wrong with this. lilymhudson Why he's no gentleman at all!! ArsenioB_Ham Harry: University of Chicago, right? Sally [resigned]: Yes. Harry: Did you look this good at the University of Chicago? Sally [rolling eyes, sarcastically]: No. Harry: Did we ever…? Sally: No! No. [...] Sally: It's amazing. You LOOK like a normal person, but actually you're the Angel of Death. Household_Opera Thank you! I thought of that painting immediately but couldn't remember the title. Teka Lynn She carries a couple of horseshoes in that bag, and not just for good luck. That's my headcanon and I'm sticking to it. TheBaney She should pull the communication cord. avidbiologist yesss this reminds me of a painting that I saw once in a classroom and also circulated around tumblr for a bit where a young woman is traveling by herself in a carriage(?) type thing and there's this older guy leering and she's looking straight into the viewer's eyes, like "this is the absolute worst". unfortunately even my inventive googling came up with nothing but I'm posting in the hopes that someone else actually knows what I'm talking about. EPWordsnatcher Look above you! The internet hath provided! avidbiologist #blessed yrpretendfriend "nudes plz?" (n/a for first painting) edit: this was supposed to be a reply to continue straightwhiteboystexting jokes my bad hugpunch I like this comment right where it is. Ellen W. Why is "I'll play it again" guy wearing leather leg warmers but no shoes? And is anyone else super amused by the lead-heavy symbolism of all the animal pairs? blunderbusst Also what is up with the pocket-sized child. Ellen W. Yes! I spent forever trying to figure out just where that kid is supposed to be. No clue. neptunemars "Why aren't you paying attention to me? I'm a Nice Guy!" lilymhudson I love this series, but my heart cries out for proper attribution! MalloryOrtberg wikimedia commons [waves hands generally about] mostly i searched for 'high renaissance pastoral' and 'impressionist bathers' MalloryOrtberg that's the best i can offer you, everyone who painted these is dead so i don't really care spectralbovine Are you sure, though? Some of these dudes may have kept themselves alive all this time for you, a woman, to notice them. lilymhudson You're cruel, Mallory, so cruel. keythah Plus you can drag and drop images into Google Image search now. spectralbovine WHAT IS THIS SORCERY ALSO HI. huntuckian @lilymhudson, As an art history nerd, I could not let these works go unattributed, either. After a little research, I came up with the following list (sorry, I couldn't find dates for all of them): 1. Titian or Giorgione: Pastoral Concert, c. 1509 2. Gabriel Metsu: The Letter Writer Surprised, c. 1662 3. Giorgione: Youth with a Guitar and Two Girls on a River Bank 4. Abraham Bloemart: Pastoral Scene with a Herdsman's Family in Front of a Landscape 5. Eugène de Blaas: The Serenade 6. Gustave Dutailly: A Young Man Serenading A Woman Who Reclines Asleep Upon A Bench 7. François Boucher: Shepherd Piping to a Shepherdess, 1744 8. Federico Andreotti: The Persistent Suitor 9. Jean-Louis Forain: Behind the Scenes, c. 1880 10. Édouard Manet: In the Conservatory, 1879 11. Jean-Louis Forain: Tribunal Scene, 1906 12. Édouard Manet: The Balcony, 1868 13. Édouard Manet: At Father Lathuille, 1879 lilymhudson Thanks for doing the heavy lifting huntuckian! huntuckian Oh, no problem–it was fun to research, actually. Reverse image search makes it a lot easier than it would have been a few years ago. hergart Dude with the wig in picture 8: Paul Rudd or Josh Radnor? butterflyfish3d Haaaave you met Wig Guy? Yes. I'm definitely dying. spectralbovine I am going to print these out and paste them all over the Louvre when I go. grumblyqueer Asshole Number Seven isn't even fluting in the right DIRECTION (and the only people who say "flautist" are assholes). Seph It's pretty much the standard word in the UK. paddyK Excellent. And that "grumblyqueer" person is an asshole. Emma Such a fun list! It's funny how a lot of those are Manet who also happens to be the painter of the most awkward painting of women ignoring men… while naked… while the men are fully clothed… and also ignoring the women! http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_d%C3%A9jeuner_sur… CleverManka This just made my kinda-shitty day SO MUCH BETTER. deanna so funny. but the post is missing the artist name, date, and art title :/ MamacitaConPistoles <img src="http://theveilofchastity.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/susanna.jpg"> "goawaygoawaygoawayomgomgomgomgomggoawaygoawaygoaway" "just one more thing" Ad Lib These are funny… Except number one I think is incorrect. There are two naked women there and those two guys only have eyes for each other. It'd be more like: "You come to these often?" "Mmm. My mother makes me. She thinks it's 'healthy'". "And is it? Healthy?" "It can be… just what kind of flute DO you play?" "Oh…? Same as yours would be my guess. Are we on the same song sheet? Wanna get out of here?" huntuckian In case someone wanted to know the list of artists and titles, I came up with the following: 1. Titian or Giorgione: Pastoral Concert, c. 1509 2. Gabriel Metsu: The Letter Writer Surprised, c. 1662 3. Giorgione: Youth with a Guitar and Two Girls on a River Bank 4. Abraham Bloemart: Pastoral Scene with a Herdsman's Family in Front of a Landscape 5. Eugène de Blaas: The Serenade 6. Gustave Dutailly: A Young Man Serenading A Woman Who Reclines Asleep Upon A Bench 7. François Boucher: Shepherd Piping to a Shepherdess, 1744 8. Federico Andreotti: The Persistent Suitor 9. Jean-Louis Forain: Behind the Scenes, c. 1880 10. Édouard Manet: In the Conservatory, 1879 11. Jean-Louis Forain: Tribunal Scene, 1906 12. Édouard Manet: The Balcony, 1868 13. Édouard Manet: At Father Lathuille, 1879 lilmegsalienne thank you xxx Bob I have felt like this Manet times… Alan I will never look at a painting of people in the same manner ever again. ckylum Mallory, your articles are awesome. I hope your writing makes you piles of monies, you deserve a solid gold goose. kingred06 “I’m so sorry, I no speak ze English.” “Ah! That is no problem to me, I also speak French.” “I speak no French.” “But I just heard you –” “I speak no French, monsieur. Good day to you.” died arthipstory Dear Mallory, Still currently and always obsessed with this style of writing. I'm going to be bulking up my "please write on my blog" begging to include cookies and brownies.