I can’t even tell you how long I spent counting down the days for the Veronica Mars movie. (Well, I could tell you, but I’m not going to because I have a tiny bit of dignity.) I had so many questions – so many things that have haunted me, in the years since the show was canceled – but few more pressing than the question we’ll discuss today, which is: Would Veronica and Mac finally get together?
(Actually, the only question more pressing than that one was “Will something good finally, for goddamn once, happen to Weevil?” Which… well. Rob Thomas giveth and Rob Thomas taketh away. Let’s all just hold hands and pray for a sequel.)
Anyway, yes, I knew it was a long shot, but I was rooting for Veronica to end up with Mac at the end of the movie. I am not and have never been a member of either Team Logan or Team Piz. Nothing personal to Piz, you understand; Piz is a perfectly nice fellow but he is lukewarm tap water in human form and we need not discuss him further.
But let’s do take a moment to discuss the mystery that is Logan Echolls. I know that, for many Veronica Mars fans, Logan is endgame; he is the true love by which all other loves shall be judged, and also everyone’s imaginary boyfriend. Their love is epic, etc. And I will grant you that Jason Dohring and Kristen Bell do have extraordinary chemistry. But you know why that is? Because Kristen Bell is Kristen motherfucking Bell, and like a real-life Jeff Winger, she has chemistry with everyone. Search your feelings; you know it to be true. There is basically no character except Keith with whom Veronica could not plausibly have made out before the end of the movie. Wallace? Sure. Weevil? I always kinda figured. Vinnie Van Lowe? Why not. Madison Sinclair? No two people hate each other that much without at least a little sexual tension in the mix.
So Logan, though certainly willing and able to make sexy eyes at Veronica at the slightest provocation, is hardly uniquely qualified to do so. He loves V, it’s very true, and they have some sweet scenes together. Plus, he has hit/beaten up/threatened to kill people for being mean to Veronica on several occasions, which, if you squint and the light is dim, could conceivably look romantic. The problem, however, is that a dude who is scary and violent in defense of his girlfriend is probably going to become, at some point, the dude who is scary and violent to his girlfriend. People whose reaction to stress or fear is “uh oh, better punch something” are not great people to be in long-term relationships with. Plus, Logan is really pretty racist, like an uncomfortable amount of the time, and no amount of homoeroticism between him and Weevil will ever make me overlook that fact, I’m sorry.
Also, he’s really unsettlingly misogynistic toward most non-Veronica women. To the point that he once gave Dick date rape drugs to use on Madison, and was only sorry later because they ended up in Veronica’s cup instead. A misogynist who makes exceptions for the girl he loves is still a fucking awful person, and I care about Veronica and I believe in my heart she can do better.
And by better, I do not mean Piz. I’m sorry, Piz fans (is there such a thing?), but Piz is not Veronica’s equal. Piz is not as smart as Veronica, he’s not as brave, and he’s entirely too simpleminded a creature to understand Veronica’s worldview. If you want better, my friends, I offer you the one and only Cindy Mackenzie.
Seriously, how gay is Mac? Have you seen the cargo pants this woman wears? More importantly, have you seen her dimples? I refuse to believe God would put those dimples on the planet and not make them interested in women. (Dimples, as everyone knows, are lesbian catnip.)
Also, oh my God, how did I not realize that this is what Tina Majorino’s hair looked like last year?
DEAR SWEET GAY BABY JESUS. You want to talk about a Kickstarter? This picture just kickstarted my goddamn vagina. It seems like she went short for the movie, so my question to you is, why would Mac wear her hair like this unless she was posing for the photo that would accompany her coming-out announcement in the local paper? (Not that straight girls can’t have short hair, but if you walk around liking dudes and wearing your hair like that, you should at least be aware of the suffering you’re causing.) (Editor’s note: that is OFFENSIVE and reinforces a OPPRESSIVE GENDER BINARY [Secret editor’s note: oh my god RIGHT?!])
There was always a sort of ambient haze of queeritude around the edges of Veronica Mars, despite the lack of gay characters – from the banter between Logan “Never Underestimate the Size of My Cojones” Echolls and Eli “Do I Need To Turn You Upside Down and Shake You” Navarro to Logan’s adopted sister being played by Alyson Hannigan (the mere presence of Willow, even in a minor role, makes everything just a little bit gayer) to the fact that, seriously, there is a lot of plaid in the first season. And a lot of big, chunky, gay-ass boots. I once started making a list of the OGTs in season 1 and had to stop (around number 50) because my partner was like “How am I supposed to focus on the show when you WON’T STOP TYPING?” I think Veronica may have even worn a leather wrist cuff at one point, I don’t know, I got the vapors and had to be revived.
But this isn’t just about quips or aesthetics; this is about the fact that Veronica is brilliant and strong and brave and complicated and deeply, deeply flawed and funny and scared and reckless and, all too often, very much alone. It’s not easy to be the smartest and the toughest person in the room all the time, but that’s the kind of pressure V puts on herself. She has to carry the weight of her best friend’s death and her father’s public humiliation and solve basically every crime in Neptune and still get a scholarship to Stanford, and it’s fucking exhausting, and yet every time she turns around there’s someone asking for her help. And she’ll never say no. She’ll charge them for it, but she won’t say no.
Veronica desperately needs someone who can help her, who can be there for her and hold her up without making her feel weak. She needs someone who she trusts, someone who can keep up with her intellect, someone who doesn’t rely so much on her strength that it’s impossible for her to reveal the places where she’s struggling and confused and afraid. She needs someone who can see her flaws and love her anyway, instead of someone like Logan, who breaks up with her because “she never needs anything,” ugh, Logan is the worst.
Mac is, flat out, the only person on Veronica Mars who is as smart as Veronica. In fact, she’s the only person who might actually be smarter. Most of the people in Neptune, including some of Veronica’s closest friends, seem to see our girl as some kind of perpetual-motion problem-solving machine, but not Mac. She’s the person Veronica turns to when she needs a favor, one of the very few people who can do things for V she can’t do for herself. They help each other. The first time they meet, V swoops in to rescue Mac from car trouble, like a good gentlebutch; in return, Mac helps with Veronica’s computer question. Is that not everyone’s idea of a perfect lesbian relationship? “What did you ever do before you met me?” Mac asks, and indeed it’s hard to imagine how V managed to get anything done without her trusty Willow. (By which I mean: Mac likes computers, is homosexual. Willow dated guys in high school too.)
As for Mac herself, she doesn’t have it much more together than Veronica does; she’s just a little more honest about it. They’ve both been through some shit, and neither one of them is the person she thought she would be. They both know too much, have seen too much, to let themselves trust anyone blindly. They both need someone to prove that it’s worth it. But in occasional scenes together, you can see some of those edges softening – you can see Mac giggling (THOSE DIMPLES) and Veronica letting her snark shield slip, every so often, revealing the earnest fluffy marshmallow inside.
And, Jesus, when those two are cute together, they’re so fucking cute. When Veronica gives Mac her computer to fix, and V says “Everything important is password protected,” and Mac giggles and rolls her eyes and says “Like I care who you have a crush on!” and is generally adorable? Oh, she cares. Also, remember when Veronica was trying to blackmail that dude and she asked, “How long do you think it would take you to make a homoerotic sexually explicit website?” Mac’s entire response: “45 minutes, give or take.” Zero questions. You want gay porn? Mac will GIVE you gay porn. She’s just been waiting for you to ask.
I am really, deeply invested in Veronica Mars, both the show and the character, and I want so badly for everything to work out all right for her. I want her to be happy and loved and respected and safe, and I want her to find a partner who is her equal, morally and intellectually, someone who can keep up with her instead of holding her back. Mac is the only person who fits the bill. This isn’t just my desperation to squeeze some queerness out of one of my favorite shows; this is the unadorned truth. No one deserves Veronica but Mac.
If they team up, as Mac says in season 1, “I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say we could rule the entire known universe.” Now that’s a movie I really want to see.
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Maaaac! I’m on board. It doesn’t hurt that Mac was looking devastatingly hot in the movie.
“Because Kristen Bell is Kristen motherfucking Bell, and like a real-life Jeff Winger, she has chemistry with everyone.”
The truth of this statement cannot be denied by anyone, and will hereby be regarded as gospel.
I badly need Kristen Bell to get another starring gig in a decent TV show (sorry, House of Lies). Her comedic timing just makes me happy, and she’s cute as a button.
Really? Because more than one person agrees with my assessment that she is an undeniably pretty woman but somewhat lacking in sex appeal. I enjoy looking at her, but it would never occur to me to want to shag her.
but did you see the sex scene in the movie
I think there’s a difference between sex appeal and chemistry.
I would happily make out with Kristen Bell, and I am a straight gal. She is fucking delightful.
I am 1000% behind all of this
I just finished the book sequel to the movie, The Thousand Dollar Tanline! And I would say there is more Mac than Logan in it– just saying, for any of you Mac fans (:
Eee! I just picked that up yesterday! I’m so excited!
Yes! I loved all the Veronica/Mac action in the book.
(Not that kind of action.)
(Or is it.)
Most of this is spot on, totally accurate, well-played all around. Unfortunately the terrible Veronica Mars scholar/pedant in me feels it necessary to note that this:
“To the point that he once gave Dick date rape drugs to use on Madison, and was only sorry later because they ended up in Veronica’s cup instead.”
did not, strictly speaking, happen. It was in fact Luke who gave Dick the GHB to use on Madison (he claimed he thought Dick would take one dose and offer Madison the other). Logan gave GHB to Tad, who used it to roofie his girlfriend and then film her while she gave a blowjob to a popsicle. Obviously much better, right? (And yet I am still fond of Logan. I blame Jason Dohring.)
“Veronica is brilliant and strong and brave and complicated and deeply, deeply flawed and funny and scared and reckless and, all too often, very much alone.”
This is so true, and part of why Veronica is such an important character–it’s so rare to see teenage heroines who are allowed to be flawed and angry and damaged and still fundamentally admirable.
On a related note, one thing that’s always sort of bugged me about VM is Veronica’s hatred of Madison for passing on the GHB cup to her, but her total lack of concern that Dick was a) the real source and b) actually did try to deliberately drug his girlfriend.
I kind of get it from a show perspective, in that Ryan Hansen is delightful, but it still seems like a weird blind spot for Veronica.
For real! I mean, Madison is a terrible person, but she at least wasn’t actively trying to drug anyone that night and Dick, you know, was. I love Ryan Hansen and I want him to be in all the things, but it makes no sense that Veronica would be okay with hanging out with Dick.
I get this, but I also see that Madison doesn’t exactly give Veronica much of a reason not to hate her in general, so I feel like the GHB cup is just part of an overall contest of “which of us can dislike each other more.”
I mean the movie basically puts Madison in cartoon villain land, but she’s never exactly been a peach.
Rob Thomas was asked about this recently, and he was basically like, “yep, that is MY blind spot, we like Ryan Hansen/Dick so much that we have Veronica let him get away with ridiculous amounts of shit.”
At least he knows where his blind spot is. And I must say, I am Team Dick much more than Team Logan or Team Piz. Dick is exactly who he is at all times, and while “who he is” is a douchebag, there’s something utterly appealing about his nonchalance.
His theme song is “Take Me for What I Am” from RENT, sung off-key at karaoke after a zillion shots.
That’s what Gia’s therapist calls “misplaced aggression.”
I feel somewhat similarly about Veronica’s relationship with Weevil — he’s one of the few characters she relates to on a pretty even level. Yeah, she has him beat on a certain kind of smarts and has more privilege going on even in her non-privileged days, but he has a different kind of smart and a willingness to strategically employ violence that neatly offsets her. They both have a similarly well-developed if off-kilter sense of justice and a healthy shared belief that it doesn’t tend to require that people get formally arrested, charged, tried and jailed. They like and respect each other and do each other favors because they like and respect each other and because favors are currency, not because one of them feels a need to protect the other.
I don’t really ship Veevil. I actually really like that she has a platonic relationship of mutual backscratching with a male character. I think that’s a rare and beautiful thing and should be preserved as-is rather than turned into yet another messy romantic relationship.
I enjoy their platonic relationship as well. I feel like they understand each other in a very specific kind of way that some other people she is/has been close to cannot compare to (like: Piz, Wallace, Mac).
i love love love weevil. to the point where i kind of wanted to see them together, but not as much as i wanted to see weevil really happy and safe and stable ughhh
I always felt like none of the men in Veronica’s life deserved her (except Keith, of course) (and also except Wallace, but they work too well as friends to spoil it), and perhaps this explains why! I am on board. In the sequel where Veronica takes down the corrupt Neptune County Sheriff’s Department, this is the correct romantic subplot.
A lot of times I feel like Wallace is more like a brother to her (: I love their relationship so much~
Yes! It’s still kind of rare to see female-male friendships without a bunch of extraneous sexual tension depicted on TV. Veronica and Wallace are just comfortable with each other. I really enjoy their dynamic, even though it’s one of the more low-key parts of the show.
Too true about platonic female-male friendships on TV! Remember how devastating the Wallace arc in s2 was? I felt like my heart was being ripped out of my chest ;_;
Yeah, but at the same time, I felt like Jackie was kind of hard done by. I mean, she wasn’t right for Wallace—in the end, he’s not looking for that much drama in his life—but the way she was written out of the series was cavalier and cruel.
And not to go all tumblr on a show that was smart, feminist, and had interesting things to say about class and criminal justice, but that was the second false start they had with writing a woman of color into the main cast (RIP Ms. Dent, the journalism teacher who was unceremoniously dropped after the writers never really figured out her function on the show).
Pure agreement from me! I meant heartbreaking as in when he like disappeared and didn’t talk to Veronica for a while and everything was terrible :s
I didn’t know I wanted this but I WANT THIS.
“Dimples, as everyone knows, are lesbian catnip” this is very reassuring to me.
I know a girl who likes girls who has dimples which can only be described as dimples of mass destruction. They are the dragons to her Khaleesi, if you know what I mean…
ahhhhh this is the best/worst. Femslash Friday is back! But about a show I didn’t watch!
No, it’s the best/best, because now you have a reason to go watch Veronica Mars! I promise you, you will not be disappointed—it’s one of those rare good shows that knows exactly what it’s doing from the pilot and succeeds immediately.
YES. I just watched the entire show last month and was so impressed by the pilot (and everything else too).
I watched all seasons 1 & 2 and loved it, and immediately fell out of love in season 3. No idea why.
because season 3 is really not as good! there are some good episodes, but the switch to shorter mystery arcs (network mandated, because “people are intimidated by season-long mysteries”) plus the new college stuff plus the season 3 slump were not kind to the show.
That makes me feel better, that at least it’s not just me. I LOVED the first two seasons.
There was this HORRIBLE guy in my Church Youth Group (no shame) who talked about Buffy and V.M. all the time and as a result I was disgusted at the thought of having anything in common with him and really missed out, I reckon. (if you knew this dude you would understand, I promise.)
no I understand, my irrational disdain for UPenn after all these years has similar roots.
I keep meaning to watch it, maybe this weekend I’ll give it a try. I just want to read this noawwww /whine
I am only 11 episodes into this show to the extent that I read neither 99% of the text of this article nor any of the comments lest I avoid SPOILERS but I’ve already seen one episode with Mac and I both am SUPER excited that she was not just in that one episode AND fully endorse this pairing. Also I am a big fan of Tina Majorino generally, so.
Hey, Piz fan here. I used to like Logan when they first came out but now the racism and violence are a super turn-off. Also it seems like he’d be happier in a relationship with Weevs, and even jerks deserve some happiness.
I am partnered up with a Piz type, as a het cis lady, and it is awesome. Rock solid support, no drama bullshit, snuggles whenever you need them. As I get older this becomes more of a priority for me. It doesn’t make for good TV though. Maybe Chris Lowell will be cast in some more movies? I hope?
He’s in a show right now called “Enlisted” and OH MY GOD is he sexy in it. The military cut works for that boy, let me tell you. Plus the show is pretty damn funny.
**excited**
YES I AM BORING SO WHAT
HOW COME ALL MY FRIENDS ASK ME FOR RELATIONSHIP ADVICE
HUH
maybe my friends are lying to me
Yeah.. I love getting all swoony over Veronica and Logan on tv, but in real life? Would not touch a boy like that with a ten-thousand foot pole.
AGREED.
They help each other. The first time they meet, V swoops in to rescue Mac from car trouble, like a good gentlebutch; in return, Mac helps with Veronica’s computer question. Is that not everyone’s idea of a perfect lesbian relationship?
actually swooned. i loved mac during the original run of the show, but it’s like every year we’re further from veronica mars, the heart grows gayer and wants so much more veronica/mac making out. this post is catnip <33333
It seems like she went short for the movie
She mentioned at the SDCC Fan Event that she had that hairstyle already, and she was very happy that Rob let her keep it for the movie. Not that this precludes the kickstarting of your goddamn vagina.
One of my favorite things about The Thousand-Dollar Tan Line is VERONICA AND MAC SOLVING A MYSTERY TOGETHER. They didn’t get to do that enough in the movie.
also I rewatched Season 3 to prepare for the movie and ugh ugh I forgot about how the feminists are portrayed in that season ugh
ugh it’s terrible. I remember twop (rip) had an interview with Rob Thomas at the time and he said something along the lines of, “What, it’s okay to be mean to frat boys but not feminists? That’s reverse discrimination!”
Rob Thomas, you are lucky you get a lifetime pass from me for creating Veronica Mars, I swear to god. Otherwise I would say very Harsh Things about you on the internet.
Yes I agree. stop sidling out of the room, Whedon, I see you there.
Also I think the main reason why I watched VM was Couch Baron. Come back, Baron. I was hoping you’d review the movie.
The only likeable thing about that loathsome movie ending was some optimism that Logan is away for _at least_ six months and Mack was in the front office at VMars.
Speaking of straight ladies who are totally gay, I will defend to the end my theory that Meg (remember Meg? poor Meg) actually had a crush on Veronica. Meg spends the majority of her time with Duncan talking about/worrying about/being angry at Veronica. It’s a classic displacement of feelings: “I can’t have you, so I’ll have your boyfriend.” (See: Faith and Angel.)
It doesn’t help Duncan has all the charisma of a half-price IKEA lawn chair.
Remember when Meg and Veronica went to the ’80s dance together? OF COURSE YOU DO.
You mean the dance where Meg DRESSES VERONICA UP and Veronica escorts her to the dance? WHY YES, I DO.
And they stare longingly at each other while Time after Time plays? YES. Because I just watched it last night. Meg and V totally have some unresolved tension.
a friend of mine once described duncan as “a sentient column of deli meat” which is…i still get a little teary thinking about how perfect that description is.
Not sure if I agree with you on Meg/Duncan/Veronica or Faith/Angel/Buffy right now but I liked your comment anyway. Cuz “half-price IKEA lawn chair”. LOL.
But um, to get back on topic, yeah actually… YOU MIGHT HAVE A POINT. Although I think the former is much more likely than the latter… Cuz Faith I think was just lashing out in general and Angel happened to be around.
PS I think Duncan is definitely the Angel of VM. Teddy Dunn seems to be a really cool and smart guy but oh man I just don’t get Duncan’s appeal and have never been a fan of Angel… so…
One of my important life projects these days is mapping VM characters to Buffy characters. All the season 1 boyfriends map: Logan is Spike OBV, Troy is Parker (charming duplicitous asshat), Leo is Riley (deserving but dull and works for an organization she has a tense ally/enemy relationship.) And this thread has just made me see that Meg is Faith. She’s a double of Veronica’s, showing the person she could have been if things had gone differently — comfortably ensconced with the 09ers even though her life/family doesn’t quite fit with them. Only Faith is a darkside double and Meg is lightside, which makes sense given how dark Veronica is in the context of their world.
(Duncan is COMPLETELY Angel, not just in being ultimately pretty dull but in being excessively broody and having a Hyde-side that comes out and takes control from time to time that he has to always be on guard against. And in there being a forbidden love aspect that fades away in time. I’ve written pages on this, I tell you.)
Ginny, I don’t know you, but I love you. Thank you for this.
Hello! Can I live in your brain? I love everything about this (although I have often said that Duncan is the Riley of VM – not straitlaced Initiative Riley but fucked-up off-his-meds gotta-go-punch-a-cave Riley).
I agree with ALL of this but I think you’re being way too mean to Deputy Leo by comparing him to Captain Cardboard. 🙁
PS The Spike thing is spot-on. How Logan knows that V doesn’t really love him like he loves her. And how he’ll always be there when shit goes down.
Leo > Riley, for sure. But their roles in the show/her life are similar.
Logan and Spike could co-found the Love’s Bitch Society, for swaggery bad boys who go completely puppy-eyed over whoever their current love is. And aren’t really ashamed to show it.
Well now I have to watch both of these series again and maybe we should co-write a paper for Slayage…
DONE.
All this femslash and no mention of Lilly Kane?
for real. Veronica was absolutely in love with Lilly. It’s incredibly obvious in the flashbacks.
“sorry to blow your mind Veronica Mars, but I’m a lesbian”
Yes yes yes, all of this, bring on the office romances.
yesssssssss
*scrolls back up to actually read post*
I know it’s painfully obvious and not really a challenge, but please do Root and Shaw from “Person of Interest” next.
This article just CHANGED MY LIFE. A Veronica/Mac pairing had honestly never even occurred to me, but my god this is the best idea anyone ever had. And now I will ship it forever, (meaning of course it will never ever happen) and my heart is already breaking over it.
Please please read “The Thousand Dollar Tan Line” soon–it’s witty, it’s tricky, the writing is perfect and it’s even better than the movie, but most importantly, Logan is out to sea for the entire book which gives Veronica plenty of time to banter and make eye contact with Mac!!
*stands up and applauds¨* BRAVO!!!
Hvave you been reading my mind?
I’ve shipped them for a while and while I knew they were just another rather cracky ship, I’d love to see Mac as queer.
I almost passed out when I saw Tina’s hair,omg.
There needs to be more fic, just saying
oh,btw, I am 100% a LoVe fic but I also know from experience that while that sort of thing that can be really exciting it’s also exhausting and thosse boys are not really reliable (wth I had to fix that lik 2452 times) so I’m not on the “logan is my secret bf” type but I do find them irrresistible (ugh again i cannot spell today) and it’s to do with their damn chemistry. powerful drug.
I know there are Piz fans, few as though they might be, but are there duncan fans?
Leo > Riley, for sure. But their roles in the show/her life are similar.
Logan and Spike could co-found the Love's Bitch Society, for swaggery bad boys who go completely puppy-eyed over whoever their current love is. And aren't really ashamed to show it.
DONE.
Um, did y’all SEE Piz dancing in the movie? I love him! He’s witty and funny and just not…dark…and I guess in VM world that’s bad? I dunno. Maybe I just think the actor’s hot. But shrug, more Piz for me!
(Not that straight girls can’t have short hair, but if you walk around liking dudes and wearing your hair like that, you should at least be aware of the suffering you’re causing.)
Ugh seriously? I know you pointed it out, but I still expect better than casual bi erasure from both Lindsay AND the Toast. I walk around with hair like that “liking dudes” and nobody suffers, because it’s possible to like more than one gender at a time. You could have thrown an “exclusively” in there and it would have been fine.
The true love of Veronica’s femslash live is obviously Meg Manning. The UST between Alona Tal and Kristen Bell was unbearable. They had more chemistry than Breaking Bad.
Huge Weevil and Veronica shipper here, but I can certainly see how Mac and Veronica would be an amazing match because brains and mutual respect are SOOOO important. (Main reason I ship Veronica and Weevil, apart from all the pretty, is the fact that he (mostly) outwitted her in Magic Mountain. And she LOVED it.)
But I specifically wanted to genuflect at your altar for the most perfect, precise objection to Logan Echolls I have ever seen. Because the fact that Logan’s general assholery to people OTHER than Veronica gets handwaved so frequently tends to chafe a little. Not to mention that delightfully widespread assumption that being a VM fan automatically equates to being a LoVe fan. Because no, there is a whole galaxy of people who would be better for Veronica than Logan – and Veronica seems to know that. (Hello addiction metaphor.).
1. Mac looks awesome in this. I’m also going to get a haircut tomorrow (but probably not that short because it requires constant upkeep and I am not that kind of person).
2. I was so bored with the sex scene in this movie that I actually picked up a magazine and read it for the duration. Which wasn’t long, but I still didn’t feel like watching it.
3. Thanks to The Toast, I can look forward to reading a book sequel! Wheeee! Thanks, you guys!
1. Mac looks awesome in this. I'm also going to get a haircut tomorrow (but probably not that short because it requires constant upkeep and I am not that kind of person).
2. I was so bored with the sex scene in this movie that I actually picked up a magazine and read it for the duration. Which wasn't long, but I still didn't feel like watching it.
3. Thanks to The Toast, I can look forward to reading a book sequel! Wheeee! Thanks, you guys!