Most recently in this series of unspeakable torments: New Year’s Fallout.
To: Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Ashley; Ali; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Nicole
Date: January 24, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Hey, Ladies!
Okay so Valentine’s day is right around the corner and as we all know, usually I am TGFHOWMGACHH (totally game for hanging out with my girls and cursing Hallmark holidays) but I am afraid I may be on FEMALE HIATUS for the first time IN MY LIFE this Valentine’s day and that is because….I have met….an amazing man.
Okay remember when I told you all about the guy from Tinder who was like an “analyst” (boring) but also like he knew three of my camp friends so we had mutuals and both voted for Obama according to our similar interests? Not him.
THIS GUY is, okay. Apologies to anyone who I may have already told this to (Katie, Charlotte, Morgan, Ash (??) (Ash did I tell you??), but his name is TYLER and he’s literally amazing and I didn’t even meet him on Tinder!
I met him on OkCupid and he’s 6’2 (minimal height I allow), a Scorpio (most sexual sign) and loves dogs, his family, his friends and his job (he’s a teacher! I’m dead). Honestly he is amazing. We went on our first date last night to the Mermaid Inn which I feel like, is a definite sign that he’s into me because you know what they say about oysters…
But date one at the end of Jan is SUPER RISKY as V-day approaches quickly and it’s like, do I initiate the talk? I know it seems soon but I read in Cosmo that guys are more likely to lock a woman down in the winter (something about snuggling and no outdoor seating at bars for day drinking), and I just….when you know you know…in a way.
ANYWAY, LADIES, PLEASE ADVISE..
xoxoxxox
N I C O L E
I came here tonight because when you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible.” ― Nora Ephron, When Harry Met Sally
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To: Nicole; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Ali; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Ashley
Date: January 24, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
no you didn’t tell me but wait tyler who???????????????????????????????? does he bartend on the UWS ever?????????????????????????????????????(jw)
Ash
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To: Ashley; Nicole; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Ali
Date: January 24, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Hey Ladies!!
OMG Nicole this is so exciting!!! He sounds amazing! We must strategize this! As everyone knows, Mike & I broke up, and I LOVE that you know how confident I am and over it and how I’m so drama-free and like a nurturing Earth Mother type so I can talk about these things and be 100% excited for you and not at all jealous!
Ok, dating less than a month before Valentine’s Day is the best ever cause it makes everything get serious really quickly and puts pressure on the dude to be forthcoming about his feelings.
First off, what’s Tyler’s last name?? Are his parents still married? If he’s a teacher, does that mean he has roommates? Are you sad he’s a teacher? Do you think it’s cause he likes being around high school girls? What happened with his last relationship? Have you searched for him on one of those sex offender apps? I usually do that on dates when the guy is in the bathroom, just to make sure we’re on the up and up. I mean how cray would that be if Chris Hansen came barging in to the Mermaid Inn on one of your dates lol.
My friend at Bank of America can totally run a credit/background check on him, which I think we should do sooner rather than later!
Def make him bring up V-Day first!!!!! But drop a ton of hints about it!!! Guys love hints and are usually great at picking up on them!!
So are we doing a girls night for V-Day or not? I might have a boyf by then, but I’m so not THAT GIRL where I’d ditch, so LMK by COB!
Tell me everything.
xoxo,
Ali
“I’m hopeful I’ll find love.” – Juan Pablo, The Bachelor
“Tears are gonna fall, rolling in the deep. You had my heart inside of your hand” – Adele
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To: Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Nicole
Date: January 25, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Ladiesssssahhhhhfodigjsko,
Ali, thanks so much. I know this is probably a really hard time for you because of your seasonal depression/breakup/everyone else finding someone and then you have to kind of feel like you’re lonely and will end up alone but you definitely won’t!! YOU WON’T. Your hair is too amazing for you not to find love (seriously)….lyl.
OKAY SO LET’S REALLY GET DOWN TO BIZ:
I’ve bolded your questions and then answered them so everyone can read along easily!!!!! Morgy are you still with us????
First off, what’s Tyler’s last name?? NEED TO FIND THIS OUT
Are his parents still married? Yes this is always the first question I asked after the Phil fiasco of 2011.
If he’s a teacher, does that mean he has roommates? Just 2!!!!
Are you sad he’s a teacher? no i think it’s cute >>> i beLiEVe tHAT CHiLDREN aRe OuR FuTuRe RIP WHIT <<<<<<
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To: Nicole; Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Jen
From: Morgan
Date: January 26, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
I totes do NOT think at all that you should feel depressed about his roommate situation!!!
It’s like, NEW YORK!!! Everyone has a roommate until they’re 40. Like, look at Bethany Frankel!
Has he mentioned v-day plans yet?? does anyone want to go to Fly Barre tomorrow??? I have a Groupon.
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To: Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Nicole
Date: January 26, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
wait who said i was depressed???
you guys should i just move on from this guy?? is 2 roommates two too many???? ugh this is how i know i’m a carrie.
xoxoxoxoxoxo N I C O L E
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To: Ashley; Nicole; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Ali
Date: January 26, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Hi Ladies!!
Ok let’s do a deep dive! I think Tyler sounds great, except for his job and living situation but you can totally change those things. With Mike, I thought his best friend was a total douche so I just flirted with him a ton and Mike got so weirded out I never had to see him at things. Guys will change for the right girl!!
When’s your second date? What are his friends like? Does he want to have a Groundhog’s Day party and invite us all? Or are all his friends teachers too no offense lol. I think it’s DEFINITELY time to drop V-Day hints. Your first holiday will set the tone for the entire relationship.
Have you dropped hints for what you want for a present?? You guys are so new as a couple but I would aim for the Tiffanys/Agent Provocateur/flowers at work trifecta. Do you think he’ll say I love you at V-Day?? Is his phone password protected??
I’d show him you’re laid back yet down while still retaining mystery while also seeming low-maintenance in terms of hangs yet high-maintenance in terms of emotions and trust yet commanding respect but in a fun sort of way.
THIS IS SO EXCITING AHHHHHHH
Also, what’s our cut-off for older dudes to date?
Loves!
Ali
Money can’t buy you class
Elegance is learned my friends
Elegance is learned oh yeah
– Countess Luann
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To: Nicole; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Ali; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Ashley
Date: January 28, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
I pulled an all-nighter last night (excel is such a fucking betch) and now I scheduled an emergency 911 therapy because my life is falling apart.
sorry i cant deal with this can you guys take me off the chain.
i need inbox 0 this isn’t helping
ash
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To: Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Nicole
Date: January 28, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
This is really typical of you Ash. I answered ALL of your snapchats when your Tinder date made you go to BUSHWICK.
I think you’ll see your email’s language differently after a few hours of sleep. I can forgive you but really lol, that was rude.
xoxoxooxo N I C O L E
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To: Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Nicole
Date: January 28, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
CAN WE PLEASE RETURN TO TALKING ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
nicole
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To: Ali; Ashley; Nicole; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Katie
Date: January 28, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Is anyone watching Scandal? Kerry Washington has the cutest power suits it makes me want to listen to the Lean In book on tape.
Katie
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To: Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Nicole
Date: January 28, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Hi ladies,
Sorry for being the wicked bitch of the west village but I cannot address anything right now. LOVE IS MAKING ME BLIND!
Okay, Ali, just read your email but keeping everyone else looped in.
Here’s the thing about the living situation: I don’t really care. I know you think I should but I think it’s fine. Here are some reasons why: In GIRLS, everyone is dating someone with baggage. Like Ray is homeless (season 2) and Shosh still loves him. So the way I see it is, so what if Tyler is just a teacher and also lives with other people. Like, it’s fine for right now. Like, we’re in a recession. My parent’s just took me off the family plan and now I have to cut back on my Ubers so like I get it. You make sacrifices when you’re this in love.
Our second date is currently set for tonight. He wants to cook for me which is so cute! He mentioned pasta and I didn’t want to come off as high maintenance so I didn’t tell him about my aversion to white carbs which, again, sacrifices! I am really excited to see himmmmm…do you guys maybe wanna join us or do a drink beforehand? I’m not sure what his roommates do but I will def ask and I think it would be totally fine if you guys came over for dinner tonight too. I’ll just text him. I think it’s so cute when couples host things together
So here’s another issue: last night we were texting and I asked him a question and then he replied but I didn’t answer because I know it’s good to leave them hanging like mid-convo so they’re always like, in a constant state of missing you, but now I don’t know how to like, keep the convo going or should I wait til he texts me or should I like just say heyyy or send an emoji? Or should I gchat him????? Or should I tweet him? Is it too soon to add his sister on Facebook??
He has a blackberry so NOT password protected!! Pretty into that.
Also totally unrelated (in a way) but did you know there’s a website where you can literally CREATE your own wedding invites and you can personalize them right there on the screen? I’ve been getting really into blogs lately and that’s where I heard about it so I’ll keep you posted on any stuff (currently making a Pinterest board centered around center part up-dos! cute!)
In terms of cut off for older dudes I’d say like…if they were older than a soph in HS the year we were born that may be too old????
Looking forward to everyone’s individual input here!!! Sorry I am so crazy! It’s true what they say about the L word! (Love!)
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To: Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Nicole
Date: January 28, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Guys I know gchat is down but email isn’t, please email me back ASAP!
I am having second thoughts????
NICOLE
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To: Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Nicole
Date: January 28, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
nvm i am totally fine omg idk when i became such a nut!
forget the last email (but answer the one right before it)
nicole
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To: Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Nicole
Date: January 28, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
no i am definitely having second thoughts now please email back!! you guys! Morg i know you don’t do anything at work…
nicole
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To: Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Nicole.; Jen
From: Morgan
Date: January 29, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Hi Ladies!!!!
Sorry for not replying sooner!!! I was getting a mani during lunch and was reading all of these but couldn’t type back and lol not to be racist but the manicurist was so bad at typing when I tried to dictate my response back!!!!
OK I think you should go for it!!!! Your date sounds amaze!! Pasta is so cute and staying in is the cutest. If you sleep over borrow his favorite hoodie so he has to see you again!!!!!
This sounds sooo romantic! and mature!! What time should we stop by??
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To: Ashley; Nicole; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Ali
Date: January 29, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Hi Ladies!
Aw, Morgan! You are the cutest.
Ok, I’ve been giving this a lot of thought, and I just don’t know. I mean, if we’re to have an HONEST relationship, I just need to say everything I’m thinking. I just don’t have a great feeling about this.
Red flags:
Staying in with pasta? Everyone knows when a guy is smitten for you he takes you for tapas. Industry standard.
It’s weird you haven’t met his friends yet.
I saw his facebook and he’s ok. I just think you can do better. Like I personally would friendzone him, but maybe he’s sweet?
Just looking out for you. LMK if you wanna hash all this out in a google hangout and do a deep dive.
Loves!
Ali
“I could lie, coudn’t I, could lie” – One Republic
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To: Ali; Ashley; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Nicole
Date: January 29, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Okay Ladies,
I am taking Ali’s advice and I’m just never returning his texts again. Ali’s right, he’s a teacher, he isn’t rich, I don’t think he played Lax in HS (I have a thing for lax boys!), and he has roommates.
It’s also like, regardless of how nice someone is, it doesn’t mean you’re supposed to marry them, and it’s also like, I KNOW MYSELF, and if I was totally into him I would have been planning our wedding in my head. And I just wasn’t. I couldn’t even come up with a first dance song.
Not meant to be.
I mean maybe we could have had fun and it could have blossomed but at the same time, I’m 28 and I don’t want to go on dates with guys who I don’t see myself spending the rest of my life with and who also don’t make upwards of 250k with annual bonuses. It doesn’t fit the future I’ve mapped out on my dream vision board both on Pinterest and in real life.
I mean maybe it would have been a good 3-6 month relationship tops but I just couldn’t even imagine what dress I’d wear or where the wedding would be and if it would be small or big and I don’t even know how big his family is!!
So what I’m saying is what’s the point!!!
Thank you so much Ali for knocking some sense into me.
Should we just do a girls night for v-day?
xo
n i c o l e
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To: Ashley; Nicole; Katie; Allison; [email protected]; Caitlin; Morgan L.; Jen
From: Ali
Date: January 29, 2014
Subject: LOVE IS IN THE AIR LADIES
Hi Ladies!
Aw, Nicole. I think you 100% did the right thing. Plus, it’s SO hard being the one in the group of friends with a boyfriend. It was different when I was with Mike, because I am so not THAT GIRL who ditches when she’s with a dude. But I could just see you giving up your whole life to be with him, and I just think you’re not emotionally ready for that.
I mean you always talk about taking Yoga Booty Ballet classes and maybe reading more, and I just don’t want you to give up your dreams yet! I just felt like you were being really Khloe about this, and I wanted you to be more empowered like Kim. I’m just a super independent person, and I think I can be a source o strength and role model right now.
I mean hos before bros right LOL! Plus, now we can do a GIRLS NIGHT FOR VALENTINES!!!!!
<3,
Ali!
“Never had much faith in love or miracles” – Bruno Mars
“This is me leaning in.” – Sheryl Sandberg
Tags: caroline moss, hey ladies, humor, michelle markowitz, misery and death, the shudder of recognition, valentine’s day
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My word, just reading these makes me stressed. So glad for my friends who almost never do this mainly because we never make plans to do stuff as a group.
I am pretty sure that if we speak these acronyms aloud we will summon Cthulu.
Why can’t I like this more than once??!? Life is unfair.
Shit, I was reading it aloud to my roommates.
If you read tomorrow that California has fallen into the sea…I am sorry.
OK, someone try it out and LMK ASAP by COB.
HEY LADIES.
This one was more tense than usual! Poor Ashley.
I’m having chest pains right now.
I am worried about Ashley. Girl, it will get better. It cannot possibly stay winter forever.
FREE ASHLEY. Ashley, go see if Gracie wants to hang out with a decent bottle of wine.
Oooh it would make me so happy if over the course of this series more and more of the Ladies cut ties and went to become friends with Gracie. I have hope for Charlotte, too!
And then the final installment is a sensible plan-thread with the escapees where everyone just says what they want to do, and then goes and does it.
Ali is left alone, swimming in champagne and bile.
Poor Ashley.
Nicole has stepped from ‘selfish, inconsiderate and amoral’ into full blown ‘evil manipulator’, yes?
Nicole has gone directly over the edge without passing Go.
I think Ali won the “evil manipulator” award for this chain. I mean, damn.
Yes, but Ali even moreso. Nicole is manipulative and evil, but in a directionless, desperate way. Ali is all cool, blue, Machiavellian reason. I can just picture her whispering into the ear of a sleeping Nicole, “I will always be bigger than you…”
Poor Ashley. I want to go in there and give her a hug.
Ali is completely Machiavellian, you are so right!
I just found myself actually gnawing my nails over serial (killer) fiction. How is this even.
Ali’s Juan Pablo signature. I die.
I want to see Ali on The Bachelor. So much.
Ali has already been on The Bachelor, as almost every girl in the house ever.
Tyler, I cannot stress how much of a bullet you have dodged. Not just one bullet, but the bullet and its eight other brains.
Maybe Grace and Tyler can get together.
(Sorry, guys, I’m just so happy Grace escaped and I just want good things for her!)
ETA: Haha, just saw the thread below. Glad we’re all the same wavelength, Toasties.
My first thought too!
We know nothing about Tyler, but I feel like Grace deserves better than someone who asks her to cook for him on a second date. (Obviously if people love cooking and volunteer to cook for their dates that is a cool nice thing, but not only does Ashley not cook, she doesn’t even eat.) That sounds like a test; I suspect Tyler of being terrible in a different way.
Uh, no, Tyler is the one who’s cooking for his date: “He wants to cook for me which is so cute!”
Thankfully, it’s the other way around: “He wants to cook for me.” He could indeed be a good person for Gracie!
Fly Barre.
Yoga Booty Ballet
I would totally go to the all those work out classes. Hit me up, ladies.
I’m developing a twitch response to the salutation “ladies.” Help.
omg it’s like a Valentine’s horror story except with less dying and more PSYCHOLOGICAL HORROR
RUN TYLER.
FOLLOW GRACIE WHEREVER SHE WENT
Tyler+Gracie foreverrrrrr
I ship it.
Tyler and Gracie have lots of pasta nights, move in together after Gracie gets a promotion next year (you go girl), get engaged about six months later and adopt an older dog and a small cat. Their wedding does not have a theme.
Awww. this made me extremely happy!!
LOVE W ALL THE EMOJI HEARTS
RUN GRACELER RUN
I WAS GONNA SAY HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED GRACIE IS GONNNNE
Gracie stuck to her guns! She has gone and found better friends with better email chains. She probably eats white carbs on occasion.
Did you know that vegans can sometimes be simultaneously opposed to white carbs? They can. Now you know.
I need a Gracie epilogue where she and her new friends exchange intelligent and kind messages.
Go look through your own email chains.
BAM.
I sincerely hope Ashley is the next one to go, which triggers a gradual exodus of non-responses until the series ends w Ali sending emails to herself from her gmail to her work account.
Keep rising above, charlotte.smith857!
We never have heard from Charlotte, right? It’s a little hard for me to keep track of all these delightful ladies and their winning personalities (much as I love the series).
She’s commented once and it was something fairly neutral.
She’s biding her time against the fall of Ali and Nicole, and will scramble the remnants from her comparatively neutral position.
Thanks. 🙂
Oh, she spends all her time on snapchat because email is too tedious and last century. You only think she’s above all this because of a better moral character, but really it’s because her life is more futuristic than ours.
at the risk of doxing myself, the one with my name has never ever responded to any of these and I am so proud of her for that.
Nice to meet you, MAILER-DAEMON.
There’s a lot that I can’t fathom here, but who would actually consider inviting themselves along to a date? Let alone inviting yourself + 6 other people? To someone else’s house? ON THEIR DATE?
Charlotte needs to go meet up with Gracie.
These always kick up little anxiety flumes for me. But then I realize that the last email chain I had with my best girls was to set up a Shining dinner/viewing party, as recommended right here on the Toast. And everything is all right.
It’s so gratifying to think that you’re out there creating an email chain that is the exact opposite of a “Hey, Ladies” chain, and even more gratifying to know something I wrote helped to start it. This is truly one of the nicest compliments I’ve ever received.
If Ashley escapes, who next will drop off? My bet’s on Jen.
I find myself hoping that Ashley emails Gracie and escapes. I think Gracie has set a shining example.
Although … Jen got married about a year ago. She could be pregnant by now and the ladies might try to organize a baby shower . . . .
Oh.
Oh no.
YES YES YES
I just got queasy. You have an evil mind.
HEY LADIES, THE SEQUEL: SPAWN OF JEN. In theaters next year.
Morgan’s manicurist did not stab her with a cuticle knife?
Morgan’s manicurist deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.
“I’m really into blogs right now”.
Also, isn’t Nicole the really broke one?
yes, that’s why she can’t date a teacher. She needs dat $250k
“I’m really into blogs right now” and “pasta is so cute” are tied for my favorite parts of this.
And this is the moment when Ali reveals herself as a monster who is also a wizard. That is some well-executed psyops.
This one may have been the most stressful yet.
“I think it would be totally fine if you guys came over for dinner tonight too. I’ll just text him.” Nooooo just no.
I want a Hey Ladies spin-off where we get to follow Gracie as she finally makes some nice, sane, non-manipulative friends at a Toast meet-up or something.
Michelle and Caroline could just make a comment account and live here, as Gracie.
YES.
Would it be too weird to write Hey Ladies fanfic? (Uh, asking for a friend…)
If you write it, we will come.
(to read it)
Not at all!
Well, maybe. But we’ll all want to read it so we’re just as weird.
“Guys love hints and are usually great at picking up on them!!” OH. MY. GOD. All the giggles.
Also: A million troll points to Katie for her random bringing-up of Scandal/power suits/Lean In right after Nicole’s plea to “RETURN TO TALKING ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.” I suspect it might have been a random act of accidental brilliance (because Katie’s pretty random and accidental in general), but OMG SO MUCH TROLLY WIN.
OH MAN.
“so I just flirted with him a ton and Mike got so weirded out I never had to see him at things. Guys will change for the right girl!!”
I stopped breathing for a minute when I read this.
This whole series is so stressful and confusing and it makes me really uncomfortable and I don’t really think it’s funny, just really sad, for a whole tangle of reasons.
I dunno, I feel like this one crossed the line from “could be terrifyingly true” to “obvious satire.”
Ali’s dating advice is from a 1993 book about managing men, but that could be because she knows that’s the best way of manipulating Nicole into being free for Valentine’s Day Girl’s Night.
Yeah, I agree. In the past they’ve been great because you could actually see them happening, but this one skews way too far from reality to actually be funny, for me.
I wish this was too far from reality for me to conceptualize. I really REALLY wish.
I can see how you’d think that, but I personally know all of these people and I’m sorry to inform you that it is still totally true to life. 🙁
Here are some reasons why: In GIRLS, everyone is dating someone with baggage.
AAAAAAHHHHH NO “GIRLS” IS NOT ASPIRATIONAL DO NOT TAKE LIFE LESSONS FROM “GIRLS” LITERALLY THE WORST.
Not even from Shosh?
OH SWEETPEA NO
AND the Kardashians, AND Sex and the City (and probably the Real Housewives of Wherever, but I wouldn’t get those references). The Hey Ladies make terrible choices in role models (as in everything else).
I think this series needs a “modern heteronormativity” tag.
Don’t forget the whole Juan Pablo Bachelor reference. Ack.
Fair point. “Girls” is the only one of the shows mentioned that I’ve watched*, so I don’t have the same visceral OH SWEETPEA NO reaction to the others. Also, of course, Housewives and Kardashians and Bachelor feature real people, however skewed by the format, not aggressively non-aspirational female-antihero fiction like “Girls.”
*After much urging from friends, I started watching “Sex & the City” a few months ago. I made it alllll the way to the baby-shower episode in the first season before this exchange occurred:
hugely pregnant character on SatC: Isn’t it great? I can eat whatever I want!
me, yelling at computer screen: YOU COULD ALREADY DO THAT!
I doggedly watched a few more episodes even after that, but SatC and I were never meant to be.
😀
I’ve never watched “Girls,” although I kind of feel like I should.
When SaTC first came out, I was in a building that had HBO, so I watched a bunch of the first season. At first I thought it was neat — this sex-positive show about independent women and their friendships — but I was soon turned off by how shallow, vain, greedy, and ultimately uninterested in real independence the characters were. It was like Cosmopolitan Magazine, the narrative (I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Cosmo is their favourite martini). Maybe it was meant to be satire, and I just wasn’t getting the joke? But it felt to me like I was supposed to like them, especially Carrie, when all I wanted to do was scream at the television.
I don’t know why I can’t (or, at least, I didn’t) establish the same combination of distance and empathy to the SatC characters that I feel for the “Girls” characters.
Maybe it’s about age, or about generational concerns: I can identify the “Girls” leads with my younger, dumber, loud-mouthed self. Though they are technically adults, they’re mired (as so many of us were, or are, in our early 20s) in the cosseted world of youth. We’re watching them flail their way out of the selfish corridors of childhood and into full-fledged adulthood, with the growing awareness of others that that entails.
The SatC characters were fully adult women, well-established in their careers and personalities. In the season and a half I watched, I never saw them trying to change or grow or become better at being adults. but maybe that was a failure of my empathy and understanding rather than the show’s premise.
Should I give SatC another try? I really came to hate them quickly, which has never happened to me with Hannah Horvath and her friends, no matter how often I moan “oooooh i haaaaate you the most” at the TV.
“Should I give SatC another try?”
NOPE.
It’s funny, because when SaTC came out, I got really into it for a while – dragged my husband into watching, talked about it obsessively with friends and sister, thought of the characters as real people, etc.
And now when I see bits of it in places, I just cringe. Why? What happened? I think when it first came out, there was so little that was woman-centric and dealt with friendship/relationship issues that we just glommed on. And now we realize how garbage a lot of it is, and how much better woman-centric shows can be. Or something.
hugely pregnant character on SatC: Isn’t it great? I can eat whatever I want!
me, yelling at computer screen: YOU COULD ALREADY DO THAT!
I love you.
Thumbs up for that tag ALONE.
Best/worst installment yet. GRACIE, I’M SO GLAD YOU ESCAPED.
I haven’t finished reading yet but I just have to come down here and yell THE SPECIES PHOTO IS PERFECT FOR THIS SERIES HOLY CRAP.
OK, now back to read and flinch.
AAAAHHHH I LOVE THIS SERIES and this one was more terrifying and manipulative than the others?!! ALI YOU TERRIBLE WIZARD
“CAN WE PLEASE RETURN TO TALKING ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE”
And thus the subtext has become text. Somewhere, Gracie was breathing a sigh of relief without even knowing why.
I haven’t even read this yet and it’s the best thing about my day so far. Love to hate these ladies.
Hot damn, I love the ladies. They’re terrifying. They are to email chains what sharks are to teeth- just rows and rows of sharp pointy never ending horror. Thanks for another excellent installment!
I find these inordinately stressful to read. Why do I keep reading them??
Hahahah “I mean you always talk about taking Yoga Booty Ballet classes and maybe reading more, and I just don’t want you to give up your dreams yet!” You TAKE those Yoga Booty Ballet classes, Nicole.
….. they never even took Ashley off the list. AAAAAARGH monsters.
No lie, at one point I was (briefly) the Ashley to someone else’s Nicole, and cutting her out of my life was the best thing I ever did. (it only took me 2 months to come to my senses, thankfully)
This is the first one of these that has seriously stressed me out. Ali is terrifying omfg
Is Ali maybe like a performance artist? No one is that pure evil without reason.
Back-up theory: Charlotte is doing an anthropological study on the group and she doesn’t respond because she can’t upset the delicate ecosystem of their toxic friendships.
Charlotte is like me keeping the trainwreckest people on Facebook just to see what’s shaking in their live. Like the one I call John’s Wife who constantly uses Facebook statuses to subtweet her husband who replies in kind.
Charlotte’s know we’re bad people but can’t resist the drama.
I like to think that’s not actually Charlotte’s e-mail, it’s been mis-typed in each e-mail thread and some 77 year old woman in Montana is reading these email threads that she gets once a month and just going “oh, LADIES.”
Charlotte, meanwhile, has already found new friends and reconnected with Grace, and they get together for DVR dates every few weeks.
Haha I like this theory. Oh, or maybe that’s an email Charlotte has, but she has quietly gotten a new account and never told these ladies and just pops in once a week or so on this account to mark everything as read and clear out the inbox.
I look forward to these so much every month. My favorite line in this one was Nicole’s about being just taken off the family plan at 28. Hahahahaha
Eh, I’m 30 and still on my parents’ cell phone plan. My needs are pretty basic, so we figure, why bother changing things?
To clarify, I’m laughing because I can relate as someone who was on the family plan well into my mid-twenties and financial independence
Thank you always for these. This is too brilliant. And I only cringe so hard because they’re so fucking accurate to people I’ve know.
This post needs a gif of George Michael Bluth saying, “So I should probably do the opposite of that, huh?”
I am taking Ali’s advice and
noooooooooo
I just internally yelped “THERE’S ANOTHER HEY LADIES” when I saw this.
Also, one of my best friends’ passive-aggressive insults is “Your hair looks really pretty today,” which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense BUT was also present here and I felt a startling and troubling bit of recognition.
omg right? You don’t even need to explain, I totes know a “your hair looks really pretty today” girl too.
I am ashamed of the fact that I just went “ugh, Morgan, it’s spelled Bethenny Frankel!” I hate myself.
And yet I love you. Balance restored.
These are basically like little horror stories to me even while they make me laugh. I’m so glad Gracie and Tyler have escaped. My god, Ali is a MONSTER.
I’m glad I’m home in the snow today, because then I could make moaning noises of repulsion and horror as I read this. Ali and Nicole. uggggghhhhhh YOUR EMAILS ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!
For some reason, “I have a Groupon” is what slayed me. Far too true.
Everyone knows when a guy is smitten for you he takes you for tapas. Industry standard.
YES
Also Ali, TAPAS ARE THE DEVIL
Seriously, you’re always still hungry and each plate is the SAME PRICE OF A NORMAL PLATE OF FOOD
And then you just keep taking ONE forkful of food when there’s only 5 forkful’s presented and no one wants to take the last forkful and then he’s like “Do you want something else?” and yes, OF COURSE, I’d like something else but is he asking because I look starving or because he’s hungry? And why didn’t we just order the $65 paella because that was the only real food on the menu and we’re spending more than that on olives and A SINGLE STRIP OF BACON CUT INTO QUARTERS anyway…. ok / end rant
That was amazing.
thank you for saying what the world needs to hear
One time I was with a consulting team in Virginia and we went to a tapas place and ordered 60 jillion plates because we were so hungry. Not by design, every plate had oodles of garlic in it. I love garlic, but 65 jillion oodles of garlic is a bit too much. We ended up walking around Alexandria, sick to our stomachs and oozing garlic out our pores. And that’s why I dislike tapas, The End.
One time I met a friend for tapas happy hour and the bartender condescending told us that “every hour here is happy” in a tone that said “we removed that option, broke bitches.” And we split a teacup saucer of potatoes in red sauce and a $14 plate w *3 SHRIMP* before calling it quits and going to the Irish pub down the st.
Bartender said that and then served you 3 shrimp for $14? No tip for you, buddy.
I LIVE for these posts. Yoga Booty Ballet, bless. It takes all my strength to not passive-aggressively send them to the “ladies” I know. Life reassessment: why do I know so many “ladies?”
LMK if you wanna hash all this out in a google hangout and do a deep dive.
what does this even mean??????
LMK if you wanna hash all this out in a google hangout and do a deep dive.
what does this even mean??????
thank you for saying what the world needs to hear
I would so watch the Ladies as a TV series. Love.
I saw that there was a new Hey Ladies this morning but had to use all of my self control to save it until my acupuncturist appointment right now. I knew I would need the stress/hikarity of this post while I’m lying down with needles in my ankles. So perfect.
Haha I like this theory. Oh, or maybe that's an email Charlotte has, but she has quietly gotten a new account and never told these ladies and just pops in once a week or so on this account to mark everything as read and clear out the inbox.
Aaaaahhhh more Hey Ladies! I both love to read these but also dread them in that way that I spend an entire horror movie dreading the moment they throw an inevitable “something jumps out when you’re not expecting it” moment in there.
I feel so bad for Ashley. She’s got emergency therapy and asking them to leave her out and they not only ignore her but even at some point Nicole pointedly says “Keeping everyone looped in.” Jerk! JERK! I hope Charlotte quietly changed her email address and never told these ladies and all their crap is just going into an inbox she never checks anymore.
Ali is the worst. Nicole is the worst. Those two are having a worst-off and keep one-upping each other. I hope that someday everyone around them quietly slides out of contact and it’s just the two of them emailing back and forth at each other with less and less thinly veiled passive-aggression until one of them finally snaps and just goes full-out “screw the faux niceness” and they have an epic falling-out. I’m just not sure I want to read it when it happens, that’s the thing.
Aaaaahhhh more Hey Ladies! I both love to read these but also dread them in that way that I spend an entire horror movie dreading the moment they throw an inevitable "something jumps out when you're not expecting it" moment in there.
I feel so bad for Ashley. She's got emergency therapy and asking them to leave her out and they not only ignore her but even at some point Nicole pointedly says "Keeping everyone looped in." Jerk! JERK! I hope Charlotte quietly changed her email address and never told these ladies and all their crap is just going into an inbox she never checks anymore.
Ali is the worst. Nicole is the worst. Those two are having a worst-off and keep one-upping each other. I hope that someday everyone around them quietly slides out of contact and it's just the two of them emailing back and forth at each other with less and less thinly veiled passive-aggression until one of them finally snaps and just goes full-out "screw the faux niceness" and they have an epic falling-out. I'm just not sure I want to read it when it happens, that's the thing.
GASP
They are all basically genderbent Jean Ralphios.
“Are you sad he’s a teacher? Do you think it’s cause he likes being around high school girls? What happened with his last relationship? Have you searched for him on one of those sex offender apps?” – Ali the drama-free nurturing Earth Mother