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My dear friend’s sister just passed away, suddenly, in her early twenties. They have asked people to keep in touch, but I am wondering what to keep in touch with (i.e., pictures of cats, asking how they are doing, invitations to social stuff?). We are close but I haven’t known them very long (and never met their sister) and kind of have no idea what they need/want right now. Should I ask? I imagine that everyone is asking and it might be exhausting. Our main form of communication is online, usually messages with another friend, where we (lovingly) cuss each other and laugh at white people together. Should the other friend and I still write these messages to them or is this insensitive? Also is there anything I can send to their family home apart from flowers (allergies)? I love them and want to be supportive but don’t know how.
From,
A very sorry friend
I’m sorry for your friend’s loss, and for yours. Death is a real twist of the knife because it reminds us that, despite our attempts to dance like no one’s watching, a great hand will at some point descend and pluck us out of the disco whether we are ready or not. And there’s very little apparent fairness to the order in which we are taken, we and our beloved dance partners, the ones who can brighten the room with a grin, who get us drinks before we even know we are thirsty, the ones we got dressed for in the first place and who we want to text as soon as we get home. That they are taken, will be taken, often without warning, is one of the cruelest tricks life plays on us. It is also, in this life, the only certainty we have. We have to appreciate them because one day they, and we, will be gone.
I lost my father in my twenties to a cancer he called his dybbuk, a demon chemo could do nothing to pry loose. As I’ve written, my father was fat and fatalistic; he died at 70, the year he predicted he would go, because 70 was the age at which his own father had died. In vain did I reason with him, explain to him about improvements in modern medicine, and fight with him, exhorting him to try for my sake, if not his own. No. He loved me, but he was done: he had survived the heart attack and two other cancers, not to mention gout and pre-diabetes and other indignities of affluent mid-life. He was 70. He let the dybbuk have him.
My uncle, by contrast, was skinny and serious and had every intention of living to see his centennial. He had only just completed the building of his mountaintop dream house with his wife when he began to have trouble swallowing. The tumor lodged in his throat killed him a mere two months after the tumor in his pancreas killed my father. The mountaintop dream house stood empty, unlived in, in shock, until it was finally sold to people for whom it mean something other than pain.
To cope with the manifest unfairness of this, some of us turn to religion or philosophy. Others sample adrenaline, nihilism, booze. I’m fairly certain Alexander the Great decided to conquer the world because Aristotle told him, “Valar Morghulis,” and Alexander was like, “F that S. If I die, I’m dying undefeated, and I’m going to make sure generations upon generations know my name.”
When the one-two punch of the loss of my father and my uncle made me realize all men must die, and not when they were ready, but when it was time, I was angry enough to take an army myself and run roughshod over Asia. I settled for going to the one gun range in Manhattan and learning to load real bullets into a rifle and shoot. I settled for running away to Montana, where I ate like a Flintstone and rode horses up mountains and hiked my way across glaciers, where the sky felt as limitless as grief.
It took years to stop being angry. And who had I lost, really? Members of the older generation; men who were too young by some standards but still old enough to leave grown children and merit obituaries. When our contemporaries lose siblings, or even, God forbid, their own kids, it is more horrifying still. We feel powerless because we are powerless. We want there to be rules we can follow, foods we can eat or abstain from eating, ways we can behave or words we can say to give us some semblance of control or, failing that, peace.
But there aren’t. Not really. There is nothing we can do to change, or fix, or even improve for a second the experience of a mourner looking into the void, let alone protect ourselves from falling into that void when the time comes.
What we can do – and what I’d argue we must do, as decent human beings and members of a community – is not make things worse. That means, unless explicitly told otherwise, we are encouraged to do one or both of the following two things:
1) Communicate.
2) Feed.
It’s harder than it sounds. Because we feel so awkward around grief, because especially in secular, contemporary Western life there are no guidelines for how to act, a lot of people get tangled up in their own uncertainty. We don’t want to say the wrong thing, so we say nothing. Nothing is the wrong thing.
I don’t mean that you can’t fuck up. Don’t say, “Guess she shouldn’t have smoked!” or “Gee, sure am glad I’m vegan!” As long as you’re not a jerk, though, it doesn’t really matter what you say. All people who are grieving hear when you speak to them is, “I’m still here and you’re still here and we will make it through this together.” Your presence says life goes on and eventually that stops feeling like a threat and becomes something like a promise, like a small, flickering hope.
One person, an older lady and friend of my mom’s, said to me, “I’m so sorry. This really sucks.” I was so grateful to hear that, to look into someone’s face and feel like she understood. But everyone is different. Don’t aim to say the perfect thing. Just be there. Be good enough. Communicate. I promise, it helps.
More important than talking? Listening. Let them tell you about the person they’ve lost. Let them share stories, if or when they want to. Let them know that, though the person they’ve lost might not be Alexander the Great, still they won’t be forgotten.
And food, of course. Bring food, because food is digestible love.
Illustrator: Liana Finck’s work has appeared in The New Yorker, Lilith, Tablet, and The Forward. Her first graphic novel is called A Bintel Brief. Her webcomic, Diary of a Shadow, can be read on her website.
The role of Aunt Acid is played by Brooklyn-based know-it-all Ester Bloom.
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Virginia · 520 weeks ago
And then a few weeks later, when the crowd had thinned out, there were some folks who sent messages that said "I'm still here."
There were people who reached out when 6 months had gone by, at a year.
Every time, it helped.
paddlepickle 119p · 520 weeks ago
k8 the gr8 · 520 weeks ago
Grief is not linear and it is not rational. It takes time. It's healing an unhealable wound.
A friend dropping me a line 3 months after my friend's death to offer to take me out to tea and listen would have been incredible. It's something I try to do now when others experience loss.
depizan 92p · 520 weeks ago
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speakingofcake · 520 weeks ago
The obvious answer would be to ask them directly what kind of help they would like, but directness makes them very uncomfortable and in the past they have tended to deflect direct questions and retreat into themselves even more. The only time they have engaged with the topic of their friend's death (outside of logistical discussion like the funeral etc) is describing at length a non-medical 'miracle cure' they read about for the (common) disease the friend died of. They have a lot of health anxiety and attach importance to unproven alternative treatments, as well as distrusting doctors. Would it be the right thing to do to listen to them talk about these 'cures' and validate their belief? Or would that be irresponsible? I feel like it would be hurtful to challenge their beliefs in this context, especially as it seems to be the only way they can express what they're going through.
It's a tricky one so if anyone can relate, stories would be very welcome!
deleted7410012 111p · 520 weeks ago
as for reacting to their discussion of medical cures/alternative treatments...just follow your gut. don't coddle them if you think they're talking bullshit, but don't be rude, either. you can listen to someone talk about their beliefs without affirming or challenging them. if they ask you straight up, "do you think that would have worked?" you can pretty much just tell the truth: that it's impossible to know for sure, and that it's difficult/sad/distressing to think about it/you know they miss their friend/it's a scary thing, etc.
speakingofcake · 520 weeks ago
ljwetherby 0p · 520 weeks ago
I think there's a fundamental conflict between what you want ("I feel like I have an obligation to communicate better") and what your friend wants ("they are still giving off the same vibes they always have") - to the extent that 90% of this is probably one of those "people are just really different in how they deal" things. I've had plenty of people who have said something to me about my loss because they felt personally obligated to do so (because that's how they deal with other people's loss/would want other people to deal with theirs), even though they know me well enough to know I'd find that awkward and unwelcome. They felt compelled to do it anyway, and it didn't help me.
Honestly, even though their intentions are good, it's felt like some people prioritised their comfort over mine, and that's not really comforting to me, even if it's meant to be. I also ended up on the receiving end of a lot of "let me tell you how terrible my grief about your dad is!", especially from his close friends/co-workers/neighbours, when I was in a totally transactional, businesslike, I-have-to-plan-and-execute-a-funeral, numb kind of a mode. That was really unhelpful.
Things that actually were helpful: friends who said something along the lines of "I'm sorry your dad died" once and once only when they heard, made it clear they still wanted to hang out, and then hung out with me as though things were totally normal and my dad had not just died. Friends who were totally cool with me making a bunch of grim dead dad jokes, and who joined in in ways that surprised and delighted me. Or at least who didn't make that one face most people make when you make a bunch of grim dead dad jokes. The people who made me feel weird were the ones who made a big, verbal, explicit thing about being there for me (some to the extent that, again, it was more about them than it was about me). The ones who I know are there for me by how they've acted (chill, fun, welcoming, no pressure) rather than what they've said or done are the people I feel the most comfortable around.
I realise I'm coming down pretty hard on the side of "work with the person, rather than whatever you're feeling about the situation", which I stand by, but there are some caveats. For one, I've definitely not been dealing with the grief in a healthy way - lot of suppression, not feeling a lot, a thought cycle that goes something like "huh > my dad died > that's weird > huh". I'm working on that in therapy. It's hard to know how much of what I feel about how I want other people to interact with me is being fuelled by the unhealthy grieving - maybe the best thing would be to let people in, but whatever's running the show right now sure as hell doesn't want that to happen.
Long story short - I would listen to what your friend is trying to communicate, not talk about it unless they initiate, not be weird if they do initiate and do regular friend stuff (and there's a huge and tangible difference for me between "regular friend stuff" and "I am trying to care for you as I know you are having a hard time" stuff - again, I appreciate the thought behind the latter, and can tolerate it, but it still feels a bit smothery) with them roughly as often as you would usually do regular friend stuff with them.
speakingofcake · 519 weeks ago
I'm sorry your dad died, and that the feelings around it are complicated. Sounds like you have some great friends, glad that they are in your life. Thanks so much for that response, it has really given me insight.
ehmgeebee 122p · 520 weeks ago
My sister died when she was twenty, from complications of a bone marrow transplant to cure leukemia. That was twelve years ago, and my mom and dad and I continue to be buoyed by the love and compassion that people showed in the immediate wake of her death. We remember who sent flowers, who brought food, who sent cards, who called, who came to the funeral- but not terribly much about what exactly they said. The letters and notes and messages and memories that folks send along now, too, show us that she hasn't been forgotten by the wider world and that means more to me than I can say.
There was a scene in "The Life Aquatic" where Steve Zisou is face-to-face with the jaguar shark in the sub with all of the people, and he says "I wonder if it remembers me." You can see by the stricken look on his face that of course he knows the shark doesn't remember, doesn't know or care how it's broken his heart, and won't ever regret the pain it's caused. That wrecked me and I think about it all the time, because that's how death works... But in the submarine, all of the people with Steve reach out to put their hands on his shoulders. And that's how we work when we're surrounded by death, how we carry each other out of the depths of grief. By our continued presence in the face of the shark and its ruthless, unstoppable jaws.
(here's a link to the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyyosKJWXkE)
eliana23 111p · 520 weeks ago
“I’m still here and you’re still here and we will make it through this together.”
Jenn · 520 weeks ago
1) Instead of saying, "Is there anything I can do to help?", be specific. "Can I take you to dinner?" "Can I run an errand for you?" "Can I walk your dog?" They might say no, and that's okay! It's a lovely gesture to offer help in general, but when you are vague and keep it open-ended, it puts the responsibility back on the person grieving.
2) FOOD, yes, always food.
2) Continue to check in, long after the ceremonial "rituals" of death are over. In the few weeks after my dad died, I was in what I called a "mourning bubble," where people were constantly around, asking how I'm doing, offering to be a distraction or a listening ear when I needed it. But four months later, I'm surprised by how many people act like it never happened. Don't be afraid to ask, "How are you *doing*?" in that particular tone. Your friend will know what you mean. What I've found is that I don't necessarily need a big long cathartic conversation about it, I just need someone to ask the question, so I have the outlet to say aloud: "Yep, it still sucks! It's still hard!"
Lily_Rowan 104p · 520 weeks ago
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rouxfully 128p · 520 weeks ago
When I needed people was after. When I needed people was 3 weeks later, 3 months later, 3 years later. Because it doesn't go away. It stops being an open wound, but it's always a scar, and always one that's a bit tender. Everyone told me to call them if I needed anything, but it's just not that simple when you're hurting that much. It's so much easier to curl in on yourself, especially when you're overwhelmed by other things too, and having to reach out for support is one more thing to do. I was finishing my senior year at an extremely rigorous school, and I had no real support system, and it was just unspeakably challenging. I didn't want to have to tell people what I needed; I didn't have the energy for that. I just needed a kind word, a kind gesture, a distraction. Something to get me out of that pit for even a minute. But none of the hundreds of people who had expressed their sadness at her passing showed up. To be fair, she was a pillar of support for a lot of them, too, and they were also reeling - but as her only daughter I felt a bit at the epicentre, and none of the people who came close to understanding what I was missing came to me. It has been 7 years and I am still putting my life back together from the years after her death of having to drag myself along by my teeth alone.
So just... don't forget about it, when people you care about have lost a loved one. It doesn't have to be anything dramatic, but knowing you're not the only one in the world who remembers that you lost someone significant goes a long, long way.
aliwaks 65p · 520 weeks ago
They came to the memorial service, which was very decent, there was a huge snow storm and it was 2 hours from where they live. And it was very nice of them to do so.
But not once after that did anyone ask if I needed anything, or did we want to come over for dinner or could we join them when they were going out, or did I need help with anything. They barely called to see how I was doing. I was bereft and jobless (The restaurant I was working at closed the day my Dad died- the whole situation was tragic on so many levels) I could barely form words much less get out of bed for two months I was so devastated. My father died very quickly of cancer, and he was my best friend, I'd never been so lost in my life.
My husband (who was then my fiance) and I were living 15 minutes at most away from them, my family was much farther away. And I judge them by it, I can't help it. As much as he could say they didn't really know, I know it wasn't that it was that they didn't think to ask or try, my MIL sent me a freakin' card, when what I really needed was someone who would give me a ride to the grocery store at the very least. But I suppose it was too awkward for them, whatever.
I did have friends who were amazing, but it's not that I will never forgive my in laws there's nothing to forgive, but I at the very least will be aware of who they are.
Choosing to help someone or not help someone is a measure of character.
avidbiologist · 520 weeks ago
After my dad died, presents of food were great. Cards and flowers were nice- I got a peace lily from my coworkers and more than a year later I've kept it alive, and it's become a lot more meaningful than I thought it would be.
I think checking in on the person is good, too, and seeing what they're telling you. If they try to talk like before, then go with that- but it doesn't hurt to be a little more gentle.
My best friend flew to my hometown for the funeral, which I didn't even consider needing but was so, so helpful. It was amazing to have someone who was on team me specifically. Another good friend from HS sent me books a week later, which was also surprisingly helpful.
rebeccacloyd 119p · 520 weeks ago
My main takeaway is - if you are at all close enough to someone who is grieving to wonder if you should reach out, then you should reach out. Do not fall victim to the bystander effect. Grief is a sustained emergency - be there as much as you can be without sacrificing your own life and health. Every day is not too much to text to see how they're doing. Every week is not too much for six months afterward. Every month is still not too much for my fiance, and we're about 2 1/2 years out.
People who are grieving are constantly coming up against more grief - when his friend would have turned 25, when he would have called to tell him we are engaged, when he would have asked him to be his best man, when he would have talked to him about career choices, when he would have wanted him to visit our new apartment - all of that is new grief and deserved support and attention. It doesn't take a lot - I general stick with "I've been thinking about your best friend this week. I wish I could have known him better. I would love to hear more stories about him if anything has come to mind lately. I love you." Sometimes he does have a story to tell me, sometimes he doesn't. Every single time I reach out, my fiance hugs me longer than normal and every once in a while, out of the blue he'll thank me for remembering his best friend. Don't be afraid to be that person for your friend.
Edited to add: Use technology to your advantage! I have a weekly reminder on my phone to check in, and google events with reminders a week before (to get a card ready for his friend's family) and the day of for his birthday and anniversary of his death. And I'm the griever's fiance and live with him, so I would imagine this might be even more helpful for friends who have their own lives.
rouxfully 128p · 520 weeks ago
YES THIS. This is what I was trying to write before I wound up just spewing feelings everywhere instead.
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BessieMaeMucho · 520 weeks ago
I really appreciate this whole post, but particularly this thought. My mom died just after Halloween last year, and while many people reached out, the one whose presence I appreciated most of her little sister, who came by a couple times a week with her dogs, to take me for a walkie. This really sums up all the things we said to each other then.
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fromthelandwithlove 94p · 519 weeks ago
Yup. In the Jewish tradition we have a habit of memorializing death anniversaries for as long as the close relatives of the deceased are alive. My aunt passed two and a half years ago, and I'm grateful every year for the opportunity to publicly acknowledge her death, and her life. A week after she died, I was at the synagogue I grew up in, saying prayers for her, and it happened to be the anniversary of the death of one of my mom's best friends, who died when I was four (twenty four years ago now), and whose parents belonged to the congregation. We were able to commiserate and support each other, and I will always be really grateful for that, because the gratitude for memory and the pain of grief lessen and change, but they are always with you. And why shouldn't they be?
blunderbusst 102p · 520 weeks ago
2) During that same time period, an old friend of mine, someone to whom I rarely speak, called and left a message on my voicemail that was, essentially, "I'm so sad to hear that your mom died! She was always so nice to me when we were kids and she was so kind when I came out and I always felt safe at your house and I can't believe she's gone! She was so fun and full of life!" To hear his unabashedly emotional and heartfelt reaction, after not having talked to my mom for 20 years, was unbelievably comforting. TLDR; Sharing memories can be helpful.
3) In the solid year I was living in grief, my favorite places to be (besides in pajamas, alone) were with people who knew I was still grieving, and didn't make me feel weird for making jokes OR being sad. It's really ok to just BE there for people. Continue inviting them to do things and then let them sit alone in a corner, staring at the rug. That's friendship.
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