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Help. Help. Help. 

I have a large and spread-out extended family; my mother has six living siblings and they are spread from California to Pennsylvania, so we rarely all get to see each other in person. Most all the aunts and uncles and cousins are extremely liberal humanists, with a couple of exceptions (one year, my atheist aunt hosted Thanksgiving and a huge fight nearly broke out because she did not want my born-again Christian uncle to pray at the table–final ruling was her house, her rules, but it was a near thing). We’re all friends on Facebook, and for better or for worse, I’m probably the family member who uses it the most. Today, over my lunch break, I saw that the same uncle that featured in the Thanksgiving debacle had replied to a comment on a news article about the events taking place in Baltimore. And it is HORRIBLY, virulently racist and anti-our-President. Based on some of his previous behaviors, it probably shouldn’t have surprised me nearly as much as it did, but there you go.

So my question is this: I have been working hard over the last few years to be a good ally, in any way that I can be, to marginalized people in our society. Part of that has been developing enough courage to call people out when they’re being racist, sexist, bigoted, etc. So there’s a big part of me that DESPERATELY wants to call him out (or, you know, tell my mom, because she’s his big sister and is also far more diplomatic than the rest of us) but also, there’s a vested interest in not having a family detonation. How can I balance allyship with keeping the peace??

–Super sad

 

Dear Super Sad,

I love this question because it is so abstract. This is not a matter of “Should I spend money on X or save money for Y?” or “Should I marry Z or do what the cool kids are doing and be a pomo spinster?” This is more along the lines of, “How should a person be?”

You are asking, in essence, whether is it more important to be a good member of your family – i.e., dutiful, diplomatic – or a good member of society – concerned for the less fortunate, active in the face of injustice. To whom do we owe our primary allegiances: our uncles or our neighbors, our family of origin or our intentional families? To whom do we answer, our people or ourselves?

Thing is, SS, it seems like you know. You are outraged by the behavior of your born-again Christian uncle. As an emissary from the next generation, as a witness to the crimes against humanity that are the ribs and bones of white supremacy, as a person being who is tired of watching some people get killed while other people shrug their shoulders or, worse, say the dead deserved it, you want to speak out.

You just don’t want to face the consequences for doing so. You want the points from your community and from your conscience. But you don’t want to lose points from your family, either.

Can you be the good person you want to be and be the good kid, the one who doesn’t upset anyone in the family? No. So what matters more to you? A) “Keeping the peace” or B) being true to yourself?

If the answer is A), okay. Know thyself, said the ancient Greeks. More classical wisdom: “Honor your father and your mother.” Your uncle too? That’s implied. (The operative verb in that commandment in the Leviticus version is “fear,” by the way, as in “Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father.” That’s less well reported and well remembered. I thought you might appreciate it, though, given that you seem to be governed a bit by fear.) “Love thy neighbor as thyself” gets quoted a lot, but that didn’t make it to the Hebrew Bible Top 10.

If you are tempted to choose A), though, I would ask you to consider: what family pond doesn’t get some stones lobbed it in now and again? Ponds are meant to withstand and absorb stones; they’re not plate-glass windows. Real men, women, and children are risking their lives throwing real stones, demanding attention and something approximating the justice they have been denied for so long. Why are you nervous about causing a few ripples? Is this a pattern in the rest of your life, and does that bother you?

A peace built on silence and censorship is a dumb peace – literally. And that peace is already broken as far as you are concerned, anyway, right? He broke it by saying something offensive and hurtful in public. That was his choice.

If the answer is B), and you do decide to challenge your uncle online, be prepared for the fact that you probably will not change his mind. Most people use Facebook as a megaphone inside an echo chamber inside a padded room. We don’t sign on to have our horizons expanded; we want to coo at dog pictures and chuckle at jokes and splash sympathy at each other while feeling acquaintances gently splashing sympathy back at us. Even IRL, especially once folks get past a certain age, we are notoriously uninterested in anything that conflicts with our preferred worldviews.

So, do not expect that your uncle will listen to you. That’s okay! You are not doing this for him.

Since you value family harmony and want to maintain cordial relations with this uncle while still getting your message across, you can reply to his posts with some great #BlackLivesMatter reading. Every time he posts something offensive, respond with three links, one after another. You can be polite and persistent at the same time. Even if you affect him not one whit except to annoy him, perhaps that will serve as a deterrent. And perhaps you will spark some other reader’s imagination. At the very least, you will know that you didn’t get bigotry go unchallenged for the sake of the status quo.

You can also use speak his language and use the Bible, if you like! That same page of Leviticus also contains some more great stuff. Here are a couple of relevant verses: “Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment; thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor favour the person of the mighty; but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people; neither shalt thou stand idly by the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.”

Perhaps your uncle does not see the people of Baltimore as his neighbours. Perhaps he sees them more as strangers in his midst. Well, Leviticus has an answer for that, too: “The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the home-born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”

So there. –God

Good luck, SS. I hope that your family is strong enough to withstand a little bit of disagreement in its midst. I believe that it probably is. But if there is indeed a detonation, remember that you weren’t the one tossing Molotov cocktails. That was your uncle’s doing.

Vale,

Aunt Acid


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Natushka · 518 weeks ago

Three links! This is brilliant and is my new move.
Isn't half the fun of Facebook getting into it with bigoted relatives and acquaintances?
3 replies · active 518 weeks ago
The unfollow and block buttons are your friend. "My facebook? Oh, I deleted it. More peas?"
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I never talk to my mom about: religion; politics; racial matters. The last time we went to a museum together, she took a moment in the native American section to bring up the topic of miscegenation, and how it was against 'natural law'...I remember HER mom as being worse.
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I'd be more willing to confront my relatives' idiotic posts if I thought they would respond in good faith AND prevent their even-more-ridiculous friends/relatives from piling on.

My cousin once noted, in a screed against our "socialist" President Obama, that the Nazis were socialists. When I pointed out that the Nazi party was called the *National Socialist* party but that they were actually fascists, not socialists, my cousin's step-grandmother (my uncle's mother-in-law) told me that if I liked socialism so much, I should move to Canada. After that, I realized it wasn't worth my time to get into specific discussions with individuals unless the threads were occurring on my own page, on links to social justice articles I was posting myself.
4 replies · active 518 weeks ago
Not to get #NotAllChristians, but I'd like to divorce Uncle Racist's behavior on Facebook from his religion here. Baltimore wasn't religiously motivated and neither is Obama's existence. Also, I don't know what exactly he was trying to get everyone else at the table to do that caused the Thanksgiving fight, but if it was nothing - if all he wanted was to pray by himself or lead other interested people in prayer - I actually think the aunt was in the wrong.
24 replies · active 518 weeks ago
Oh man, this is so good. And pretty timely, because I've been worried about the ramifications of starting to date another guy at the beginning of this month and how my extended family is going to treat it.
Nah. For people like Uncle, their spewing IS tied up with their religion, and coming to my house house and imposing your religion on me? Nah again. Evangelical types are always praying AT you - and I don't know if Uncle is evangelical, but if you are going to someone's house and making a big deal out of praying in front of everyone, you aren't doing it for your own spiritual edification. I respectfully disagree with you, is what I'm saying!
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I really enjoy when my ill-informed sister posts not-vetted links to inflammatory racist "news" pieces, where I get to respond with a simple Snopes link to disprove the entire thing.

Being right is an addiction, just like everything else. Mea culpa.
3 replies · active 518 weeks ago
Color me pessimistic, but has calling out these type of family members ever changed anyone's opinion on iota? All that happens in my family is I get labeled the crazy liberal and all my opinions get discounted.

These days, I do push back, but a lot more gently and in an effort to meet people where they are. Maybe that wouldn't be enough for some people, but it seems marginally more effective. Conservatives don't like government authority, so you could emphasize the need for checks on police power, for example.

Or maybe he's a lost cause and you just want to make a symbolic stand, in which case I like the three-links advice quite a bit.
22 replies · active 517 weeks ago
Thank you for this. I'm off to visit my very conservative relatives soon for a family celebration and this is really helpful.
I totally lived this last summer. I had made the hard decision to be an ally in difficult circumstances, happy in my self-made bubble where awful people do not exist. But then I made my gentleman friend make arrangements for us to see his far away grandma when we were in the neighbourhood. We visited his aunt and her new husband as the meeting place, and new "uncle" spent a good hour spewing the most virulent racist crap - from "adopt my ways, immigrants!" (I'm the child of a human who came over on a boat, yo) to "Yeah, well, we conquered [aborgiginal people], and when you are a conquered people, you adapt to the conqueror" _without missing a beat_. Grandma took new uncle's side, and we left shortly after she spat that aboriginal people had never contributed anything to our country. New uncle's wife saw us to the door with a "well, we certainly won't talk about that again!" and gave us a hug.

Gentleman X knew of my allyship decision way ahead of time, was fully versed in my "new uncle is not going to be able to be awful in my presence without sh*t going down" resolution, and had my back during the argument. And I got to have his over the course of the following 6 months, while his grandmother sent him abusive letter-mail (she called me a whore, which was GREAT). Which is when Gentlman X's _dad_ stepped in, telling his mother to mind her own business, and she had her head examined for tumors because she didn't understand where "all that hate" came from. Actually.

All of this to say; it is possible to be a good ally AND a good family member. Because probably there are other people in your family who want to be good allies, and who do not see unthinking loyalty/respect/whatever-ther-word-the-olds-use-for-conformity as being a good family member.

Then again, I moved halfway across the continent to not be around people who make fun of accents and "weird names" for hahas, so maybe I am not the best judge of "how to be a good family member".
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Related: my mom is all caught up in the anti-Gardasil movement and keeps posting those links and tagging me. I am pro-Gardasil and pro-vaccines and pro-science.

Help!
4 replies · active 518 weeks ago
This is so timely! Reunion with the racist and sexist family is coming up. I know I should make some ripples in the pond, but man... I don't know if I have the energy for that. Maybe some cutting laconic responses?
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To add another potentially useful verse to the ones that Aunt Acid mentioned:

"Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered." Proverbs 21:31

There is rather a lot in the Bible about taking care of the poor, advocating for the oppressed, and taking in the stranger, and it is very satisfying to keep a few on hand to quote at people who seem to have missed that. Stephen Colbert is pretty much the king of that, it's worth going and watching some of his very pointed clips if you have to deal with particularly frustrating bouts of religiosity misdirected into bigotry.
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OP's uncle IRL

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It might also be worth considering that an interaction on facebook isn't the same as one in person. Starting a "public" argument with someone (especially someone very set in their views) isn't necessarily beneficial to anyone. If you really want to educate the other person and try to change their mind, a private conversation/message may be a better forum for it. "Calling out" isn't a one-size-fits-all solution.
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I have all the sympathy in the world for being in this position, because my family is an even split between casual liberalism that responded well to me being a big gay and born again Catholicism that doubled down on the hellfire.

It's hard, because you're not just saying telling Racist Uncle McGee that he's saying some racist fucking things with the expectation that he will huff and puff and probably type more shitty things at you with CAPSLOCK for emphasis. It's knowing that there's every chance your whole family is going to come down on you, because You Made It Weird and Now It's Awkward and Racist Uncle Is Entitled To His Opinions. (This is often, in my experience, further complicated by Racist Uncle being older than you and a dude and you being younger and a lady. Know thy unspoken place, child.)

The thought that has sustained me through many, many of these conversations is that I don't actually like my Racist Uncles. I have more than one, and despite being branches on a shared genetic tree, I think their terrible opinions lead to terrible words and thoughts and actions. I don't like them, and I had to let go of caring if they liked me. The corollary to that is standing steadfast in the face of relatives who like/have an obligation/care about both of you and just want the two of you to get along. I can compromise, but it's going to be a compromise and not a surrender. I'll avoid politics if politics are not brought to me, but I believe in what I believe in and I'm not going to listen to diatribes about those people over there ruining America and say nothing. In the immortal words of every toddler ever, THEY STARTED IT.

I wish you luck. It's a shitty, awkward, often thankless situation to be in. But I have found that ultimately, it is more than worth it to stand up for the things you believe.
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I created an account just to reply to this!

I am a first-generation bi-racial young woman. I grew up in a two-religion, three-language household, with no extended family because they all lived overseas. Intersectionality? I LIVE THAT SHIT.

I JUST married into a very white and in many cases, very conservative family. Many of them find me strange: my parents, my food, my cultures (gasp, you can have more than one!), my politics. As the newcomer, I feel thoroughly muzzled -- in any forum -- from speaking up when ignorant, racist, or otherwise hurtful things arise. If I do, I will lose credibility in that family and be vulnerable to being dismissed offhand as some pinko feminazi "illegals"-lover who "plays the race card." (It's like a game of bigot bingo up in this piece.)

This means that whenever someone speaks up who is, by blood, connected to that family (most often my SO), I am flooded with incredible gratitude. They may not know it, but they're using their privileged platform (as a blood relation) to stand up for me and others who can't speak so frankly.

So this is my personal plea to Toasties. If your family spews ignorance or hatred, SPEAK OUT. Don't let yourself be a fairweather ally! Not only will you be taking a stand for justice in the abstract, you will be taking a stand on behalf of people very near you -- you just may not even realize it! Maybe it's someone like me, maybe it's your closeted cousin, maybe it's someone who's just kind of embarrassed that they voted for Obama -- whoever it is, I guarantee you that your words are important and necessary within and without your family circle.
So hi, LW here, and thank you so so so much for taking this on. I have ALWAYS been the good kid in the family that didn't make any waves and kept everyone happy, so that's a big part of why I was so conflicted about what to do. At the same time, I have zero problem calling out friends or strangers on intolerance and bigotry, so yes, the a) peacemaker vs b) true to self was very very on my mind.

Outcomes!

The evening that I wrote this in, I called my mother and let her know of the situation. She asked what he said, I read her the comment. She said, "Wow. That's... that's really ugly." She was genuinely shocked at its content and tone. And we talked about a lot of things. We talked about their father and how he affected the men in her family (short version: they have basically become him, that is, they are alcoholic bigots in varying states of recovery), and we talked about the echo chamber that is Facebook and the insufficiency of text versus face-to-face interaction on charged subjects, and we came to a good agreement on how to handle this as a family.

Rather than getting into a debate or argument online, I decided to bring it up with him one-on-one when he comes up to visit us this summer. She is going to do the same. And we'll deal with the fallout from there.

ETA that I have been noticeably more vocal regarding social justice on Facebook since this incident.

Thank you to everyone who's chimed in. It's a really fraught thing, and it's reassuring to know that others are dealing with it too.
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I debated a lot about this myself in the past, and then realized that the main reason I didn't want to engage my relatives is that I'm actually afraid of them because they're the kind of bigots who are legit frightening. It was a very interesting moment, to sort of ask myself why I even have the most minimal contact with these bozos! I ended up skipping merrily away, washing my hands of the whole lot of them! Not to be underrated as an option.
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I completely empathize with this dilemma. Having spent many go-rounds trying to change family hearts and minds (and I'm sure many more rounds are to come), my go-to solution these days is to quietly delete any offending comments from my page to minimize harm to others who might see them, and to continue to post stuff that I find more productive/interesting/persuasive re: the subject at hand. So far, no deleted commenter has called me out on it, but if/when they do, I'm just going to tell them that I while I appreciate their rights to disagree/free speech, my personal Facebook wall is intended to be a racism/sexism/classism/sizeism/ablism/homophobia free zone, and they are welcome to engage people in these debates on their own pages. (I'm sure this won't go over well, but I'm working on firm boundary making, even if it's unpopular...)
Can I just say, re: responding to conservative family members, that I find there's a difference between responding to bigoted comments in person, on your own Facebook page, or on someone else's? I find my policy is to speak up tactfully but firmly in the first instance, delete really problematic comments in the second instance, and not engage unless I think it will be actually be effective in the third. I mostly just rant to my husband instead to get the anger out of my system a little.
To those who choose the ignore/change the subject/walk away approach with bigoted family members, how do you deal with impressionable young kids who may overhear their grandparents spouting such remarks? My father is very homophobic, rather racist and a bit sexist, and he has a really bad temper, to the stage where he has cut off all contact with friends when they seriously offend him. I've chosen not to call him out on his crap because I don't want to lose contact with my mother or teenage brother. But now that I have a child of my own, I'm not sure how to approach this issue. It's easy to just tune out a racist rant when there's not a child in the vicinity who might parrot such comments. How do you explain to a child that what his grandfather tells him is actually wrong?
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I just want to reiterate what prawnsong said above. I think a lot of the conversation misses the point that it's not about changing Uncle Bigot's mind, nor even just signaling to other on-the-fence family members where you stand and giving them information. It's also about showing your friends who are members of the disparaged groups in question that you will not stand for them to be treated this way without some response. Even if it's a more measured response than "holy shit you racist asshole," just showing that you are not going to leave them hanging when one of your people brings the hate is crucial, I think, to being any kind of ally.

(This applies most when it's on your own posts/feed/wall/whatever. I don't think one is obligated to expose oneself to the trash that they post on their own accounts; that's what the "hide" button is for.")
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I disagree that the only two options are A) “Keeping the peace” (saying nothing because of wanting to be "good") or B) being true to yourself (public callout).

The truth about me can't just be "will hold public callout", and keeping the peace isn't only for "being good". Peace is VALUABLE, not just a stage for displaying goodness or goody-two-shoes-ness, and I have many more character traits to be true to than just willingness to fight in public. (In fact, that's not even one of my favourite traits. I admire courage, but not everything that feels unpleasant to do is courageous.)

Standing up to injustice is one of my values, though. But what do I want with it? What is it FOR? Well, justice is for creating peace, isn't it? Equality, stability, freedom from having to defend yourself because no one is attacking anyone any more? That's peace, right?

There are two kinds of justice, and we have to be careful which one we aim for. There is punishing the offender, and there's helping the victim, and they are often two very different things. Just think about the court system and the way victims get nothing if they lose the trial, even if no one believes they weren't victimised, because the trial is focused on punishing the offender. When you choose to act for justice, which goal are you fulfilling? Is it the one you want? What should everything ideally look like when you're done? Is your path likely to take you there, or to some other place? Basically, when you go to war, plan for peace.

Personal story time! I bought the bystander argument hook, line and sinker - if you don't speak up, you're complicit. Doing nothing counts as consent. So if I don't want to consent to a certain behaviour that someone may be doing in my vicinity, I have to say so, otherwise I automatically consent. I have to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

Eventually, I started to feel very stressed out literally all the time, because my time and attention could and would get kidnapped at any moment, and I felt I wasn't allowed to not be kidnapped (because it makes you complicit). I didn't realise why this was so stressful, until it hit me that the bystander argument is some straight up Rape Logic. Oh, so I have to clearly say no every time someone does something I don't like, otherwise it counts as participation? I have to drop whatever I'm doing when someone else wants to pull me into an activity, even if I don't want to, otherwise I'm a bad person? And somehow that's feminist? (I know this was about racism, but feminism is where I learned.)

No. Nope nope nope. Me and my Nopetopus get on the Nope Rocket and nope alllll the way to Nopetunus.

Tl;dr: I still contradict people all the time when they're this wrong, but I watch out like hell for the peace vs truth dichotomy. It's completely false. Truth should create peace, and peace should be used for telling the truth. They are not opposites and should never (IMHO) be allowed to be opposites.
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My family just starts with a "Rub-a-dub-dub, Thanks for the Grub, yaaaaaaaaaaaaay GOD!" and a healthy dose of booze and Thanksgiving usually ends up in a food fight, so if anyone wants to come by my house you're welcome to. We won't notice any extra people, I already have like 27 cousins with their spouses and kids, you could just say "Oh I'm dating your cousin", it's not like we keep track. Just don't wear anything you don't want to get gravy and/or cranberry sauce and/or beer on.
But what does one do when one lives with the offending family member? Please send help, I'm honestly asking.
Ehhhh....I don't think being hesitant to start what would in all likelihood devolve into a Facebook flame war and ruffle family peace is being "governed by fear." Maybe that's the Minnesota in me talking, but I just don't see the point.

I try to nudge the relatives I disagree with gently *in person* and also I share things on my personal page that make my views clear - this isn't about hiding from beliefs, and as the asker mentioned that most of her family is more like her I doubt it is for her, either. I fail to see how engaging with Uncle "Barack HUSSAIN Obama!!!" accomplishes anything but further entrenching him against Those Damn Liberals.

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