Father is gone, Fanny
he died this morning
not on the good couch?
the what?
the good couch
you know how i feel about relations dying on the good couch
that’s for guests only
no no, my love
he died in bed
whose bed?
his bed
oh
that’s all right then
did he have any final silverware for us
final what?
words
final words
silver or words, either one
he asked me to take care of the girls
I was thinking of giving them some hats
or, you know
a hat
they could share it
i’m not made of hats
oh i’m sure your father didn’t mean for you to take care of them hat-wise
you don’t?
darling, think of it like this
we haven’t once set any of your sisters on fire
or struck the youngest one across the face during breakfast-time
that’s a good point
your father would have wanted it this way
also who even knows what he meant by “the girls”
maybe he just meant women in general
maybe he meant me
but there’s only one of you
and we only have a son
well
maybe he meant you should take REALLY good care of me, darling
Marianne
Marianne are you coming down for supper
SUPPER IS FOR PEOPLE WHOSE STOMACHS ARE EMPTY
AND MINE IS FULL
OF FEELINGS
I think you should come down for just a minute
I AM WRITING A LETTER TO WILLOUGHBY
but you just sent him a letter this afternoon
I AM WRITING A LETTER WITH LIGHTNING IN THE SKY
this storm is not a letter
IT IS WHEN YOUR HEARTS ARE JOINED WITH TWIN FIRE
LIKE MINE AND WILLOUGHBY’S ARE
Marianne
darling
I don’t want to pry but don’t you think it’s a bit
soon
for you to declare yourself in love
HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE PURITY OF OUR LOVE, ELINOR
I just wonder what the two of you have in common
HOW ABOUT EVERYTHING
HOW ABOUT WE BOTH LOVE
TREES
AND FEELINGS
AND WE HATE
ANKLE TWISTING
AND COLONELS
AND QUESTIONS
AND ELINORS
Willoughby?
Willoughby!
Willoughby – darling – I can see it’s you across the room
sorry new phone who is this
it’s Marianne
it’s your sweetheart Marianne
and that isn’t a new phone
I can see it in your hands
it’s the same one you used to call me on
sorry old phone who is this
darling, are you joking with me?
sorry new John who is this
what’s going on?
sorry old Marianne who is this
listen
i just want you to know
for whatever it’s worth
that i really did love you
I thank you, Willoughby
that does mean a great deal to —
and honestly
after i seduced and abandoned that teenage girl
you were for absolutely sure my number one choice of wife
after i left that fifteen-year-old to raise my illegitimate child by herself
you were the respectable woman i wanted to leave her for
oh
i want you to know that
okay
even if we don’t have anything else, i want you to know that much
I see
to be honest i dont even love the woman i DID marry
that Lady Wife or whatever her name is
she’s kind of a real bitch
oh
how unfortunate
like for example
she was super shitty about it when she saw this letter i was writing to you about how i don’t love her but i DO love you
she was entirely shitty about it
Tags: books, jane austen, sense and sensibility, texts from
YES. That is all.
Oh my God. I love this. I only wish there were more texts with Elinor, especially with her mum:
Mum
Can you please not encourage Marianne?
I’m worried about her
darlink Marianne is a finger
sorry
fine gruel
gruel
GIRL
Or with Edward. I can’t even imagine that. Just “…” and “…” ad infintum as they wait for the other person to finish typing.
I know it is only once that Edward ruins some scissors and a scissors-case, but I like to imagine he’d be one of those people who break three phones a year. And also that Lucy is in his phone as “Lucy Steele, my tutor’s daughter, who occasionally texts me about her father’s health.” and Elinor is in there as “Ed”.
So, basically, for this modern age make the following corrections: for “trees” read “The Big Bang Theory” and for “ankle twisting” read “neck biting”.
How do they feel about chicken and fish?
18 and 39…that’s basically the age difference between Marianne and Col. Brandon…
I have strong feelings about relations dying on my good couch, too.
For years I have patiently explained to people why Willoughby is a villain in this story. Now I’ll just point Willoughby partisans to this. Thank you, Mallory.
….are there people who DON’T think he’s the villain???
In college, one of my roommates had a cat named Willoughby. Which (now that I think about it) is a good name for a cat, but that’s not why he got the name. Since then she’s had cats named Darcy and Wentworth.
Since her, I’ve met other women who think he’s just dreamy. It’s concerning.
…there are Willoughby partisans?
People….people think that he’s not? I am concerned.
Wait, do people not understand this? He basically has VILLAIN painted on him foot-high letters. And if you’ve read P&P how could you not spot that he’s essentially doing the Wickham part?!
BOTH OF THEIR NAMES START WITH “W” FOR GOODNESS SAKE.
Clearly the “W”ickedest letter
Captain Wentworth though.
Oh damn, you’re right! He’s my favorite of all although since I read Persuasion last of all Austen novels I was 100% totally prepared for him to be evil, with the W and all…
Persuasion is my favorite, too, and Captain Wentworth is the only Austen heroine that I still get all floaty about in my 30s. Especially Ciaran Hinds as Wentworth. ::fans self::
I endorse this message. Ciaran Hinds in that role – damn.
Also, since I met this guy young, then we split up for six years, only to reconnect very cautiously and get back together and [spoiler alert] marry, I always feel like Persuasion is the opposite of, “YOU DON’T KNOW MY LIFE!”
Because it’s pretty much my life, right there, but without anyone strongly disapproving of my husband – just being kind of skeptical. Which was valid, because we were at completely different points in our lives and if we had married then, it would have been a disaster.
Mr. Delperro and I have an extremely similar story to yours/Anne and Wentworths. But Persuasion was my favorite before I ever re-considered him.
1995 Persuasion all the way!!!
Although I really do enjoy like 3/4th of the Sally Hawkins/Rupert Penry one I just HATE HATE HATE how they handle the letter and reconciliation scene.
Also, the way the kiss is shot takes for-fucking-EVER to actually connect, and it drags from “sexy anticipation” to “no, but seriously, you need to put your faces together now.”
Me too! The similarities only occurred to me after we were together a while.
Oh, hell yes. Ciaran Hinds as Captain Wentworth makes even this gay lady all floaty. The Mr. Darcy fans can keep their Colin Firth.
there are people in this world who DON’T get that Willoughby is a total rake? just because the actor is a total babe and married Emma Thompson doesn’t mean he’s a nice fellow!
Indeed. I think it helps that in both the Emma Thompson/Kate Winslet movie, and the book, the rakishness happens offscreen, and in the book, he appears to carry a torch for Marianne after they’re both married.
Believe me, when I first ran into it, I was as astonished as everyone in this thread is.
He appears to carry a torch for her in order to get some action on the side and lead her into ruin! This was clear to me when I was 10; I don’t see why people could possibly have trouble with it.
And he’s going to be playing utter cad John Ruskin in “Effie Gray” later this year – dude plays some good cads.
I watched the Emma Thompson S&S with my babysitting charge recently (she is twelve, nearly thirteen). She was not immune to Willoughby’s handsomeness, but definitely realized that he was not a nice guy. At the end of the film, she expressed her wish that Colonel Brandon could have been played by Greg Wise (thus uniting fair face with fine character). As a lifelong admirer of Alan Rickman, I was a bit miffed on his behalf, but I suppose I can get where she is coming from. (She is one of those weird tweens whose celebrity crushes tend to be age appropriate, as opposed to my adolescent crushes on the likes of Sean Bean and Gary Oldman.)
I kind of wondered a similar thing – I mean, I’m all for looking at Alan Rickman any chance I can get, but if there must be liberties taken with the book to begin with (hello, Margaret?), why not cast someone who has at least some greater aesthetic appeal to a younger woman, rather than a handsome guy whose face says “I’m old enough to be your dad’s older brother?”
You can let her know that Emma Thompson certainly agreed with her though. 😉
(I think it broke my heart a little to know that she got with WILLOUGHBY after the movie was made, and have to consciously remember “It’s just a character, I’m sure he’s a fine person in real life.”)
This is what I liked most about the latest adaptation – they were pretty brutal about being like “WATCH HIM BE TERRIBLE TO THIS POOR TEEN GIRL LOOK HOW THE GIRL SUFFERS”
Haha, remember how that version STARTS with the seduction? I remember thinking PBS had messed up their scheduling for a second.
I haven’t seen this version, sounds like I need to remedy that post haste!
Yes! It’s an Andrew Davies adaptation (he of the 1994 P&P and also the Gillian Anderson Bleak House) and Elinor is played by Hatte Morahan aka Alice from The Bletchley Circle which is also amazing (and on netflix and amazon prime streaming if you haven’t seen it).
I love that adaptation. There’s a moment when everyone finds out Edward is engaged to Lucy, and Marianne says to Elinor ‘you knew? well, you probably weren’t that much in love’ and Elinor says something like ‘”I may not have shown it, Marianne, but let me assure you, I have been very unhappy’ – always makes me cry! Hattie Morahan does it so beautifully, you really feel the double pain of romantic rejection and sisterly incomprehension.
That’s the one with Cousin Matthew as Edward, right?
yes.
There…are people who don’t think Willoughby is a villain? But HOW?
When I was eleven I didn’t, but that was…eleven, and not getting a) how much having a kid wrecked your life back then, and b) how much birth control/abortion/etc was not an option in those days. So it was more “he didn’t want to marry the girl, whatevs, stupid eighteenth-century bullshit”.* But he did lead Marianne on, which spoke badly of him.
Now, on the other hand, I think he’s vile for the stuff with the girl, but the bit with Marianne…okay, you shouldn’t lead people on, but on the other hand, Marianne is THE WORST and if she had actually died in the rain, I would have been okay with that, so I can’t hate W. too much for it. God, Marianne, just GO FOUND EVANESCENCE ALREADY AND SHUT UUUUUP.
*Which: there was a lot of stupid eighteenth-century bullshit going on, but pretty much all of it was disadvantaging the girl, not Willoughby.
Stephanie Meyers is a Willoughby partisan, which really explains a lot about Twilight.
IIRC she is also a Heathcliff partisan which is even more troubling.
Heathcliff is objectively a worse person than Willoughby (puppy killing and whatnot), but it actually makes more sense for me that someone would be into Heathcliff than Willoughby. Wuthering Heights is sure that Heathcliff is just the dreamiest, and I can see getting swept up in that. But Willoughby? Sense and Sensibility hates that fucker.
This is all from SMeyers’s taxonomy of various literary romantic heroes where she details why Edward Cullen is better than everyone else, right? I’ve never forgiven her for saying he’s better than Gilbert Blythe.
She’s also said on several occasions that Twilight was inspired by Wuthering Heights. I mean, I’m not a fan of any Brontes except Anne, but I feel insulted by that statement on Emily’s behalf.
It’s been a long, long time since I read Wuthering Heights (and I did not enjoy the experience), but isn’t there a part in the first book where Emily straight-up calls Heathcliff demonic?
But in, like, a sexy way.
Team Anne and team Beaton forever.
Beaton4lyfe
Exactly. Gosh, Anne!
<3BROODING HUNX<3
I am not a Freudian but I cannot help but think that Wuthering heights (which some people here LOVED) was a mud-wrestling contest between Emily’s super-ego (showing Heathcliff being psychotic) and her id (but he’s so SEXY about it).
Or maybe, you know, growing up with a really messed up brother might have confused her about the difference between ‘violence’ and ‘true love’.
The SMeyers makes me want to roll my eyes. 🙂
Or perhaps she was commenting on the inherently destructive and abusive nature of the patriarchy, which rewards women for their compliance in small ways, while ultimately punishing and degrading them (and making them want more).
HE DIED STANDING UP TO SHOW IT COULD BE DONE.
Yeah, I’m no big Wuthering Heights fan myself, but that just makes me want to sit SMeyers down and pat her gently on the head.
Heathcliff does get called demonic a lot but the book is much more interested in his romantic tortured soul than in his various demonic acts, and a lot of readers are too. I remember one woman explaining once in all earnestness that Cathy needed a good slap, but Heathcliff is just misunderstood.
” Cathy needed a good slap, but Heathcliff is just misunderstood.”
Oh man, I don’t know how I would have reacted to that. My take on the characters in that book has been strongly influenced by Jasper Fforde’s hilarious Wuthering Heights group therapy session in the third Thursday Next book.
I mean say what you will about Cathy but she definitely doesn’t wander around strangling puppies for fun.
Or beat herself up for instinctively catching a falling baby.
That’s one of my favorite bits from those books! The fact that WH has gotten exponentially MORE violent in the years since it was published, and that Heathcliff escaped the book and became famous movie star Buck Stallion! Gold.
Everything I know about Wuthering Heights I learned from the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain’s great arrangement of Kate Bush’s completely incomprehensible song.
Though really I just wanted a reason to post that link.
WHAT?!? SHE SAID THAT?!?
OK, Ms. Meyers, I wasn’t really a fan before, but those are fighting words (and just, you know, wrong) and so we’re done.
*makes Pilate hand-washing motion, flounces off to stare dreamily at trees*
(ETA: This is in response to the ridiculous notion that Eddie Cullen is better than Gilbert Blythe, way upthread.)
old Glitterboots isn’t fit to polish Gilbert’s stethoscope, let alone stroke his fevered brow.
I read this as “Pilates hand-washing motion, flounces off to stare dreamily at trees” which sound like plausible Pilates exercises.
“Hand-washing” and “Staring Dreamily at Trees” are good Pilates exercises, but you have to make sure you’re properly engaging your core in neutral position in both. I’ll leave it to your imagination as to what that looks like.
“Now just smooth your hands like you’re washing them; give them a little bit of a massage, be sure to get that bit just below the little finger where a lot of tension collects from working at a computer. Good. Now breathe. Now straighten your spine, lift your chin, and look down your nose. Turn your head to the left. Good. Center. Breathe. Turn your head to your right. Make sure your core is engaged. Now we’re going to transition into standing tree pose; chin to chest, grow taller, roll your shoulders back. Hold this pose and breathe; imagine a sapling growing where your spine is, through the crown of your head. Look at the others in the room. Aren’t they beautiful? Send them love. Engage the core, breathe, and fold into child’s pose.”
Oh god my exercise regimen is all Marianne.
Them’s murdering words.
He is not better than Gilbert Blythe. That’s lunacy. (Anne and Gilbert are friends, first and foremost, and then fall in love; Bella and Edward don’t really seem to know/like each other that much, just are weirdly obsessed with each other. I am definitely more a fan of the former scenario.)
I love this sentence and everything about it.
Wait, what? How? Why? Willoughby is a dick.
Normally, I’m all for alternate personal interpretations of literary characters if that is what makes you happy.
But Willoughby is not like, misunderstood or something.
He’s just a tool.
Like, a whole bag of tools.
D:
I am normally for any interpretation that is supported by evidence in the text itself. Willoughby as romantic hero is not. He’s pretty clearly a bad man who hurts not only Marianne but also the Colonel and about half of the minor characters.
That does kind of sound like Edward Cullen to me…
So he’s a shed, is what you’re saying.
maybe not like a…full on Home Depot display case, but quite possibly a garden shed, yes.
“Home Depot display case” is now my favorite insult.
Omg. Don’t know this book, don’t feel like I have to read it anymore. So good.
Oh, you totally need to read this and every other Austen book (Well, maybe not Mansfield Park). That only leaves five & they’re awesome!
Really, you would have someone read Northhanger Abbey over Mansfield Park?! REALLY? Wow. I mean…to each her own…but….wow.
Gotta agree with Tally-Ho. Catherine Morland is a delight, and Edmund Bertram fills me with murderous rage.
Plus, Fanny Price is desperately boring.
But the point is, she’s *good.* She’s not a doll, or anything. She has interests. She wants things. She just doesn’t let what she wants get in the way of morality or other people’s feelings.
She is the anti-Wickham, the anti-Willoughby. And that is why, and I will say it, she is my favourite Austen heroine.
When I first read NA as a young teen I DID NOT LIKE OR GET IT. After seeing the adaptation years later and understanding the kind of novels Jane was referencing/lovingly mocking, I like it much, much better. Plus! Tilney knows muslins!
Okay MAYBE. I have no reason to deny myself anything and a kindle.
THANK YOU MALLORY.
Also, let’s just take a moment to acknowledge that the sequence in the 1995 movie where Fanny convinces John not to give the girls any money is PERFECTLY WRITTEN. Emma Thompson really deserved that adapted screenplay Oscar!
yes. so subtle and manipulative! you can practically see her twirling her (nonexistent) mustache as she convinces him.
She coldly, ruthlessly explains to him that if he gives his mother money, she’ll stay alive forever, just to spite him. And he totally goes with it! HIS MOTHER.
His stepmother, actually, but yes. Complete pudding-brain.
His stepmother. He’s the son of the first wife, which is why he has money already.
Yes, I know, but she’s still his father’s wife, and therefore should count as his mother emotionally.
Sense and Sensibility is such a rough experience when you come back to it as a teenage Marianne who grew into more of an Elinor.
These are very true words. I have a stomach full of feelings for Elinor these days.
I’m an older sister, too, with a hotheaded younger one, so it’s basically like being gutpunched forty ways as you are reminded of every stupid choice/feelings hole you went into and also every one you tried to prevent for someone else.
are we not all teenage mariannes who grew into more of an elinor
I was a teenage Elinor because I was (am) a control freak with an older sister who was (and is) the ultimate Marianne. So it’s a…fun dynamic.
WHERE IS COLONEL BRANDON.
but also this is very very grand now I might have to rewatch this tonight drat darn oh drat darn.
Colonel Brandon has no idea how to text and no desire to learn.
I know but just
imagine
if he had to?
You know Marianne would make him get one that he would clip to his belt.
I imagine he would progress like my mother (who still has a flip phone): first no idea how to use the space key or punctuation: Okayillseeyoulater
And now: OK c u latr
I too imagine it would be like my mother- I watch that grey ellipses for what feels like five minutes and she’s written “ok.”
All caps, always, and then he discovers <3 and sends it out like a thousand times.
I don’t know that Elinor would be a big texter either. Pretty sure she’s a changeling that’s really 300 years old; her judgement and reserve is TOO GOOD.
Is this an old person joke because if it is I fully endorse it.
The Emma Thompson adaptation is gloriously perfect in every way and I don’t even care one bit that Thompson was too old to play Elinor because she gave us one of the best things available to life and existence: Elinor’s reaction to Edward’s proposal.
Also, I have a collection of Jane Austen temporary tattoos and my favorite one has a rose and the text ELINOR GREATLY ESTEEMS EDWARD.
Edward: *proposes, stammeringly*
Elinor: *has hysterics, flees*
“Also, I have a collection of Jane Austen temporary tattoos and my favorite one has a rose and the text ELINOR GREATLY ESTEEMS EDWARD.”
I had no idea until now that I needed these in my life.
Yes – I need those.
There is a Graham Norton ep (I just taped it; it was from a while ago though) with Hugh and Emma and they talk about filming that scene & it’s so great. And yay here it is on youtube! It’s the whole show, so you might have to skip a bit along the timeline.
It occurs to me that Thompson might not have been as obviously too told to play Elinor if they’d given her better hair. Because that tightly cropped poodle-fur they gave her and Kate Winslet is not doing anyone any favors.
What about Mr. Palmer, aka the guy Hugh Laurie played, who hates his wife but is occasionally surprisingly decent to other people, and whose deepest most committed relationship in life is with his newspapers?
I was definitely in love with him. What a charmer. Give me a man grumpily reading any day.
His contempt for his wife, though, just kills me! He’s the one who married her! He really didn’t know what he was getting into? He’s the future Mr. Bennett, a.k.a., the real villain of P&P.
I remember when a university professor of mine pointed out that the parents are always the true villains in Austen novels and IT BROKE MY WORLD OPEN.
Yes, I agree, only in an Austen-verse does it seem like we’re supposed to be sympathetic towards all men who scorn their wives for being obnoxious, and I despise Mr. Bennett, but Hugh Laurie! He’s so grumpy!
It’s so weird, though, because Mrs. Palmer thinks he’s hilarious. I think she’s having a way better time in that marriage than he is.
Mr. Bennet is a real “I love him he’s the worst” kind of character for me. I think P&P is pretty clear that his marriage to Mrs. B seemed like a good idea at the time, but he overestimated how much “this girl is pretty and willing to have me” would be worth in the long haul. He’s anxious to make sure that Lizzie won’t repeat his mistake and will instead marry someone she respects. He is bad at planning ahead but he knows it and it makes him sad and he tries to do better when he can summon the energy. To me, that’s not villainy–villains in Austen’s world are the ones who make similar bad choices but then run away from the consequences.
I always assumed she was perfectly nice at the start and then somehow took on airs. Or perhaps it’s some sort or arranged marriage?
It’s such a tiny role, but I absolutely cherish every second Hugh Laurie is on the screen.
The scenes between him and Elinor had a surprising amount of chemistry. I ship it.
It’s been a while since I read the book, don’t remember if they actually happened there though.
Well, they did date for a time, after all. 🙂
😮 I did not know that. Good for them!
During a bit of their time at Cambridge, as memory serves! 🙂 It’s one of those things that makes me happy when I remember it.
I loved this with the intensity of Marianne’s affection for that cad (refuse to type his name!), but also with the sincerity of Elinor’s regard for Edward.
Exhibit A: http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4600000/H…
Exhibit B: http://www.bestmusic.ro/_files/image/hugh-laurie-…
Closing argument: http://24.media.tumblr.com/13dffa59c0163f508abc23…
How, was he supposed to know during the stilted rituals of the regency romance that she would crumple his newspapers every damn day?!
But of course she crumples his paper, she is evil Dolores Umbridge!
YES I just re-read the book recently and this is so accurate. Can we get some texts with the mom though? She is hilarious.
IDK, he’s a dick to his wife and 3 youngest daughters. He invites a cousin to visit solely for the purpose of laughing at him. He lets Lydia go to Brighton, when it’s clearly a horrible idea, just because he wants her out of his hair. Except for his paying Mr. Bingley a visit at the beginning of the book (which, come on, hardly an exertion) I can’t think of an instance in which he summons the energy to try to do better.
I’m not saying he’s affirmatively wicked, like Wickham, but Mr. B also makes terrible choices whose consequences fall almost entirely on other people.
Mr. Collins definitely invites himself, naming the day and the hour of his arrival and the length of time he means to stay; I have always wondered whether this was a presumptuous thing for him to do or if it was normal.
Re: Mr. B’s attempts to do better, I’m mostly thinking of his going to London after Lydia runs away. Not that he manages to accomplish anything there (demonstrating how much less competent a person he is than Mr. Darcy, among other things). I dunno, Lizzie loves him and he supports her and that endears him to me, even though she ends up outstripping him in maturity and judgment.
Did anyone else read Fanny Dashwood’s texts out loud in the funny affected voice the actress had in the 1995 version? I hate Fanny Dashwood but that upper crust vocal fry is a perfect complement to her petty little soul.
“i’m not made of hats”
I am, though. Literally.
I listed to this book for the FIRST TIME last year and it was SO ROUGH, oh my god, I was literally shouting at that first part when she talks her husband out of giving them any money WHEN IT’S NOT LIKE THEY HAD CAREER OPTIONS BACK THEN. And Marianne, so painfully ridiculous! Until she has that Edifying Fever, thank goodness.
I literally want to read these texts (and these comments) every day for the rest of my life.
moar Dashwood texts plz 😉
WILLOUGHBY YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE. WHAT RIGHT HAD YOU TO SHOW UP AT THE HOUSE BITCHING ABOUT YOUR STUPID LIFE? WHAT RIGHT?
No scrub
No scrub (no, no)
No scrub (no, no, no, no, no)
No scrub (no, no)
NO
I kind of wondered a similar thing – I mean, I'm all for looking at Alan Rickman any chance I can get, but if there must be liberties taken with the book to begin with (hello, Margaret?), why not cast someone who has at least some greater aesthetic appeal to a younger woman, rather than a handsome guy whose face says "I'm old enough to be your dad's older brother?"
"Home Depot display case" is now my favorite insult.
It occurs to me that Thompson might not have been as obviously too told to play Elinor if they'd given her better hair. Because that tightly cropped poodle-fur they gave her and Kate Winslet is not doing anyone any favors.
I always assumed she was perfectly nice at the start and then somehow took on airs. Or perhaps it's some sort or arranged marriage?
If mocking Mr. Collins is wrong, I never want to be right.
And I kind of feel similarly about the Mary/Lydia/Kitty/Mrs. Bennett quadrumverate, myself*, except IIRC Mr. Bennett isn’t so much mean as just kind of dismissive and resigned. He doesn’t seem to regard them maliciously, he’s just given up on them, wants them to go away, and makes no effort to disguise it. With Mrs. B. this is a casualty of the centuries before legalized divorce, and I can’t blame him; it’s not great parenting with the girls, but at the same time, they’re nebulously adult in that culture, and I can read it as the equivalent of today’s parent-of-college-freshman “okay, I let you live in my house, but STFU about veganism and Portishead”. Which I support as well. Teenagers gonna teenage, what can you do?
*I am marginally sympathetic toward Lydia, who I feel mostly suffers from being fifteen in an age before female sexual agency and/or vibrators, but still needs to get a grip and a course in manners.
Me too! The similarities only occurred to me after we were together a while.
Bletchely Circle! I spent half of the first season rooting on badass smart ladies and the other half hiding behind a pillow. So good. I am surprised it hasn't come up on here before. I want to see all of the actresses in lots of other things, this included.