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Dear Butter,

I have a six month old daughter that I am raising with my strong and brilliant wife. What are the least obvious or most important things I need to know as a father?

 

Dear Dad (not mine, obviously),

Always leave the toilet seat down. Have hopes for your daughter but love and support her as she is.  Teach her how to stand up for herself. If you see someone treating a woman poorly on the street, don’t just frown and walk on by. Say something. Show your daughter that she has a right to move through the world without being harassed by cretins.

Treat your wife the way you want your daughter to be treated by the partner she may someday choose.  Seriously, treat your wife well. This will go such a long way besides which, treat your wife well because she is strong and brilliant and you love her and that’s what you do when you love someone–you treat them well.

Participate as fully as you can in household work and don’t call looking after your daughter babysitting because she’s your baby too and therefore, you are engaging in parenting. Take an interest in what interests your daughter and if it’s something you know nothing about, don’t treat her interest like something mysterious or alien because that will only make your daughter feel like you and she will never have anything in common. Share your interests with your daughter. She may not become an avid fly fisherwoman, for example, but she will enjoy getting to know a little about her old man and how he enjoys spending his me time.

In truth, I am fairly ill-equipped to answer this question. I don’t have children. I do, however, have a father. My brothers are fathers. I have many friends who are fathers and I pay attention to how they treat their children, their sons, their daughters, their kids who haven’t decided what gender they yet want to be. One of my brothers calls his daughter his princess but doesn’t treat her like she wears a glass slipper. My other brother has vowed to never raise his voice to his daughter because he doesn’t want her to ever think that’s an acceptable way for a man to speak to her.

My second fondest memory of my own father is the time he helped me build a suspension bridge for a school project out of balsa wood. He’s an engineer so he took to the task with all seriousness but it was something we did together. Decades later, I remember hovering over the kitchen table with him and I remember when we were done and I stared at our bridge, and I thought, “Look what my Dad helped me do.” My fondest memory of my father is when he visited me once at boarding school. We were walking through campus and he remarked, “How come you are always walking alone?” I was a bit of a social outcast so I said, “No one wants to walk with me.” It was not my finest moment. My dad nodded gravely and  put his arm around my shoulder. He said, “I’ll walk with you.” And he did. And he still does. No matter how you raise your daughter, be willing to walk with her when no one else will, and she’ll be just fine.

 

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You know, if I should leave the toilet seat down, the damned seat ought to have a convenient handle. Just sayin'.
PS your dad sounds like a mensch.
Ah, there's something in my eye!

This was just so lovely. I'm the eldest child (and daughter) in my family, and my dad grew up with only brothers. He was apparently white as a sheet when he found out he and my mom were having me because he felt like he didn't know a thing about having a girl. But he figured it out. Or maybe we figured it out together.

And even though we don't agree on everything, there's no one I love going out to breakfast and drinking strong coffee with, or watching CSI Miami with, or going to art museums with than my dad.
this is lovely advice, and roxane, your story about your own father walking with you is making me get all verklempt.

it reminds me of one my own fondest memories of my father. we went to see "the lion king" together. i must have been about 6. during the scary elephant graveyard scene, he asked me if i was scared and if i wanted my hand held. when i said no, he said that he was scared and wanted to hold hands.

i wish that my relationship with my dad would have continued in that vein once i started to grow up, but it didn't. so that would be my additional piece of advice. when your daughter stops being a child, of course things are going to be different. you can't parent a 16 year old the same way you would a 6 year old. but try not to change too much. don't get scared and embarrassed, aloof, macho. try to maintain your willingness to make a fool of yourself for the sake of your child. she might roll her eyes or be scornful or embarrassed, but in time she'll be grateful that her father was just as goofy or vulnerable as ever, and she'll remember those moments fondly.
"My dad nodded gravely and put his arm around my shoulder. He said, “I’ll walk with you.” And he did. And he still does"

No YOU'RE crying at work
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NO YOU ARE, NOT ME
YOU'RE RIGHT

I AM
I AM ALSO OH GODDDDD
Too many feelings to make an articulate comment, but...thank you, Roxane.
Things that made (and make) my dad a great dad and that all dads should do:

- If your child gets periods, never make them feel like they should feel bad or gross or embarrassed about that. Express sympathy about cramps. Offer to buy pads and tampons; do so without acting like you deserve a prize for doing so. Make shame something your child learns about secondhand from their less lucky friends.

- Vocally admire women. Talk about the female musicians and artists and politicians and athletes you like. Tell your daughter about Stevie Nicks and find time to watch the US Women's Soccer Team together.

- Do your share of the housework without expecting martyr points. Develop a passion for cooking and pastry-making. In turn, teach your daughter to use a cordless drill at age twelve.

- Never even mention your daughter's weight to her. Encourage her to do sports only because they give her confidence. Be delighted in her choice of a weird nerd activity (fencing) and encourage her always to "stick 'em."

- Listen to her when she argues with you.

- Get vocally furious when boys and men do horrible things. Do not make excuses. Do not be silent.

- Never speak poorly of the women in your past (even your ex-wife). Do not teach your daughter to think that she sacrifices her dignity when getting involved with someone.

- Do not try to keep boys away by making shotgun jokes or other grossness. Be a genuinely good man and your daughter will keep most boys away on her own because she will grow up with high standards that very few can live up to. Be a positive example, let her know you're always on her side, and trust her to make her own choices. If they are wrong, tell her you love her and that you're there to help.

- Also, she may or may not be pretty gay anyway. Be prepared for that. It's your fault for introducing her to Abby Wambach at a young age, frankly.
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Generally endorsed, but specifically this part:

"Be delighted in her choice of a weird nerd activity (fencing) and encourage her always to "stick 'em.""

Fencing dads are the best dads.
Do not try to keep boys away by making shotgun jokes or other grossness.

Yes, for the love of god. Do not teach her that her sexuality is owned by anyone other than herself. Or that sexual activity defines her in any way. Do not teach her that sex and desire are wrong, or disgusting, or scary. Teach her that how she uses her body should ALWAYS be up to her (and consenting partners), whether that means having sex with zero people or fifty.

Teach her how to control her fertility and reduce her risk of STIs, but also don't treat STIs like they're any ickier than any other infection; they just need to get medical treatment.
aw aw awwwww. I love this list! Daaaads.

related: Tell her what you love about the women in your family, especially her mom. Things you love about her as an individual, not just ways in which she's a good mom.
Oh man. Your list reminded me about once when my dad told me that "Christine McVie is the one you would want to marry and Stevie Nicks is the one you would want to have an affair with." :| :| :|

I mean I love my dad, but FFS I just now realized what a screwed up thing that was to say to a teenage girl.

Also YES and YES on the not making boyfriend/shotgun jokes and never EVER commenting about her weight.
- Do not ever tease her or make her feel embarrassed about having a crush on someone, lest she stop talking to you (maybe forever) about her crushes.
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literaltrousersnake · 525 weeks ago

Oh my god, I need to write my stepfather a thank-you note.
Do not try to keep boys away by making shotgun jokes or other grossness. Be a genuinely good man and your daughter will keep most boys away on her own because she will grow up with high standards that very few can live up to. Be a positive example, let her know you're always on her side, and trust her to make her own choices. If they are wrong, tell her you love her and that you're there to help.

Both of my parents took this approach to my friendships *and* my dating life (such as it was) in high school. They let me hang out with people who turned out to be not even remotely worthy of my time, while paying enough attention to swoop in and rescue me should I need it. I eventually figured out, all on my own, that those people were losers/weirdos/wrong in some way I couldn't quite articulate as a teenager, because my parents always showed me what respect and affection should look like.
Thank you for the fourth point. My dad, unfortunately, commented on my weight quite a bit, both positively and negatively (depending on where it was), and well, there's a reason I remember that he once noted that I was getting to have Rubenenque proportions. It's not a good reason.

Also a thing maybe not to do? Mention that in your experience, women are "just less ambitious". Because there's nothing like that to make every career decision feel like it'll reflect on your entire gender.

My dad was great in other ways - he taught be maths and physics, we spelt many days building Meccanno and tehnical Lego things together, and if anything, he tended to overestimate my technical and scientific abilities instead of underestimating them. But The weight thing and the ambition thing are probably things to avoid.
re: Stevie Nicks and etc. If you don't already have female artists/ authors/ actors/ musicians that you love, go and acquire some. Read books by women; consume media by women, and then gleefully recommend it to your daughter. Consuming media by women will also help you understand a variety of perspectives and inner thoughts of women in general.
Never even mention your daughter's weight to her.

My parents fucked up pretty royally about my weight (and fucked me up pretty royally about it, of course), but this is one thing Dad did right: he took the bathroom scale, which we had in the house because he was pretty seriously underweight and liked to keep tabs on it, out of the main bathroom and put it in my parents' bathroom, explicitly because "With three teenaged girls in the house, I don't want them tempted to check their weight every day."
This is just perfect. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
My dad self-destructed when I was 22 or so and so we are forever stuck. I long for the father of my childhood, feel extreme guilt about my pain-in-the-ass-ness as a teenager/college student and regret that we couldn't get our closeness back afterwards. I also got verklempt over Roxane's dad walking with her in college. And over your comment. Thanks.
This is really beautiful. When I think of my Dad, the quality that springs immediately to mind is that he protected me until he could trust that I could protect myself. Now I never doubt that I'm my own person, but I still know that he'll always be there when I need him, just like he was when I was a kid.
Another piece of prospective-dad advice - do not make evaluative comments about women's bodies/appearance! In spending some time with my stepfather recently, I realized that he was constantly commenting on TV women - that actress is ugly, that sports commentator is "too pretty" to be a boxer, etc. etc. Your daughter will suffer under the male gaze enough as it is - think how awesome it will be if she never gets it from her father!
Teach her that she gets to say "no" about people touching her body. There will be times you'll have to explain why diaperchange/bathtime/hold-hands-while-crossing-the-street involves touching and she doesn't wanna. There will be times you have to explain that the doctor/dentist needs to be touching her. But there will be SO MANY TIMES in a girl's life when someone just wants to expropriate a hug, pinch her little cheeks, snap her bra straps...it just goes on and on forever, and trust me, teaching her that she is sovereign over her own body is A THING YOU MUST DO. That includes you: if she says stop tickling her, you stop it.
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This forever.
Making little girls give out hugs when they are uncomfortable and don't want to is just so... gah

Way to teach girls that they are obligated to give other people access to their bodies! Telling them with words that they shouldn't let anyone touch them in a way they don't like, then forcing them to give grandma a hug are contradictory lessons. And actions speak louder than words.
Absolutely this. One of the (very few) things I wish my parents would have done differently - and to their credit, they agree - is making me give kisses or hugs when I didn't want to. I think they were sometimes embarrassed if I refused to give hugs or kisses to family or friends, and so encouraged me to do it to spare the other person's feelings. That's not a good thing for a girl (well, for any child) to learn. Fortunately, I got enough other good messages about my body and ownership of it that that was what really stuck, but still.
Roxane, this is beautiful and made me tear up.
Future dad, you're asking the right questions. I have a sneaking suspicion you'll be fine. But two additional things I've learned from my dad. Take her seriously. Her questions, her opinions, and her emotions. You don't have to agree or encourage, but make sure she feels heard and not dismissed as cute. Too many people act as if my nerdiness and tendency to rant is just precious without ever listening to what I'm saying, but my father was never one of them. Also, try to be comfortable with the awkward realities of anatomy and the facts of life. My dad had to take me to the doctor when I had my first yeast infection in my early teens. He had no idea what that meant. It was not the most fun conversation, but he was such a champ. It meant the world.
Urgh, I do not need to be tearing up at work right now. It must be so hard to be a parent. I believe my dad is well-intentioned, but when I think of him, the first thing that comes to mind are the things he's said that make me feel small.

Don't EVER mention her weight, as either a positive or a negative, even if you think it's a compliment. Don't EVER.

Don't comment on the appearances/weights of women. Madeleine Albright is not any less of a completely amazing person just because she doesn't happen to fit in with your standards of beauty.

Treat your partner with respect.

Treat everyone with respect -- your daughter is learning how to interact with other people from you.

Be very careful how you criticize. If she does something that needs to be corrected, limit your criticism to the action/inaction, don't express it as a judgment of her character - if you tell her she's lazy or careless, she will internalize it. This also goes for compliments - it's much better to tell a child that she worked hard than that she's smart.
Teach her to be kind to other people, but also teach her to be kind to herself. Sometimes her actions will cause other people to be hurt: sometimes that will be because she's made a mistake, in which case she owes them an apology and she should try and do better next time. Sometimes it'll be because somebody wants something she doesn't want to give, and if so she can be sorry but she doesn't haveanything to apologise for.

Teach her that no matter what she's done, where she was, who she was with, what she'd drunk or taken, nobody has the right to touch her without her permission. Teach her that if someone does hurt or assault her, you will listen and support her and she will retain control of what happens next. Teach her to do the same for her friends: hopefully, your daughter will never need to learn this for herself, but statistically it's likely she'll at least support a friend through serious sexual assault.

("If anyone hurts you I'll kill them" isn't helpful: lots of women hide assault or abuse from their parents because they can't cope with their righteous wrath.)
This is really lovely.
I have a very good dad, and one thing he taught me was that no matter where I was or how old was I could always go to him and he would do whatever he could to help. Recently I had a huge assignment in law school, and I went home for the weekend and let my dad make me food and take care of me for the weekend while I took over his dining room and worked feverishly.
Don't tell her what she's allowed to wear (barring, say, shirts with racist slurs or such). That of course does not mean that you are obligated to buy her any clothes she asks for no matter what, but make it about cost or quality or practicality or at least own your discomfort if you are uncomfortable. "I'm not comfortable buying this shirt for you," not "No daughter of mine will ever leave the house dressed like that!"
Something I wish my dad had done - model self care. Go to the dentist, get your annual physical, take a tylenol if you have a headache. My father's macho-virus manifested as an aversion to health care, and he paid for it with a fatal heart attack at age 58. I turned up my nose at lots of preventative maintenance for years because I didn't want to appear weak.
I'm a mother of daughters and this advice is perfect for all parents of all kids. Please let's teach little boys these things about women. And women, remember how your actions/words teach your daughters about themselves.
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I think one the least obvious things is: take an interest in her friends. I'm thirty now and my dad still asks after my friends. Friendships, especially girl friendships in adolescence can be so intense, in good and bad ways, and even if I wasn't telling my dad everything, it still felt like he cared about these big consuming relationships in my life.
Roxane, this was lovely. Thank you for taking on what is actually a very difficult question, and doing so with such grace. It's sad that we even have to discuss 'how to raise girls' vs 'how to raise boys' - in a perfect world, everyone would just be raising children and the playing field would be equal for all of them in every way - but so long as we have the world we have, this question is an important one and your advice is impeccable.
Teach her that of course she's entitled to do whatever she wants to do with her life, go where she wants to go, take risks, ask questions, form opinions, make mistakes. And of course you'll always believe that she's the most wonderful person ever. Of course!
Get vocally furious when boys and men do horrible things. Do not make excuses. Do not be silent. My father's macho-virus manifested as an aversion to health care, and he paid for it with a fatal heart attack at age 58.
roxanne your post made me cry. Beautiful and wise words.
This made me sad. I have a really shitty dad. He's not there for me at all emotionally.

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