Yesterday Entertainment Weekly ran a piece about debut novels with six-figure advances and why publishers are willing to take big financial risks on (relative) literary unknowns. The answer is, among other things, “because they believe they will make even more money later,” but the part that really leapt out at me was this:
You can’t count on selling a book on the writer’s talent alone—so while factors like being photogenic or savvy with social media won’t make or break a deal, they can definitely sweeten it. “I actually knew very little about [Sweeney] when I bought The Nest,” says her editor at Ecco, Megan Lynch. “I didn’t know that, for example, she knew Amy Poehler well enough to approach her for a blurb. That was a happy bonus.” Lynch stresses that while she would never “decline a book I loved because I felt like the author wouldn’t be able to handle an NPR interview, it would certainly affect how determined I might be: Am I going to hang in for another round at auction, or drop out?” Herr, for her part, acknowledges that an author’s appearance can affect an advance — “We look at all of that stuff” — but insists, “We would have paid her the same money if she weighed 500 pounds and was really hard to look at. That’s my firm belief [emphasis added].”
“We would have paid her the same money if she weighed 500 pounds and was really hard to look at.”
This is such a telling quote in so many ways, and says a great deal about what types of writers so many of the gatekeepers in publishing are looking for – often, although not in this case, unconsciously. The “if she weighed 500 pounds” part is so clearly a hyperbolic flourish, as if Herr was thinking, what’s something really outrageous, something that no great writer would ever be, to make it clear how much we don’t let someone’s looks influence the size of their advance, as if to say, Can you imagine a brilliant writer who also weighed 500 pounds. It’s the “or purple” of “I don’t care if you’re black, or white, or purple”: This would never happen, but even if it did, I wouldn’t care.
“We’d have bought this book EVEN IF – I don’t know – the writer were 500 pounds, as if that could ever happen.” But that could, and does, happen! People of that size both exist and write. They sometimes write tremendous and valuable things.
It’s easy, I think (and entirely appropriate!) to be angry with Claudia Herr as an individual for saying this, but this is less a case of one bad apple spoiling publishing for everyone than one person perhaps-unconsciously echoing a common, often unspoken, sentiment. Most likely Herr and others would not say to an interviewer, “I doubt fat people could write a book worth two million dollars,” and would in fact think of themselves as open-minded when it comes to size, but in an unguarded, unreflective moment, would throw out the idea of a 500-pound writer as an absurdity, as a mental exercise, rather than a plausible occurrence.
I don’t think, for what it’s worth, that the best possible outcome of this story is that Claudia Herr issues a public apology and is rejected or forgiven; I’m less interested in her personal culpability and more interested in critiquing and opposing the idea that anyone is “hard to look at.” This quote makes it fairly clear what constitutes “easy to look at,” and I have to imagine that a lot of aspiring writers reading this article who know they might fit into a “hard to look at” category would be discouraged from ever pitching an agent or editor.
What that quote promises is, at best, that editors and other publishing gatekeepers will do their best not to hold a writer’s appearance against them, and promises it weakly at that. “We would have paid her the same money if she weighed 500 pounds and was really hard to look at” translates roughly to: “We would not try to offer a fat writer less money for being fat,” which seems an awfully low bar. The effect is a little too self-congratulatory by half. While it’s not a direct comparison, I imagine reading a prospective employer proudly promising not to pay fat employees less money than their thin counterparts: “We promise not to violate the law when compensating people for their work”. It assumes, too, that the reader believes it’s normal or somehow instinctive to want to offer less money to a fat writer (or anyone “hard to look at”). A lot of writers who know that editors and agents think of their bodies as “hard to look at” knew what that sentence means for them and what they can expect in trying to get published.
“A body that is hard to look at”! What a phrase: it exhausts and it fascinates me. A body that is hard to look at. We promise to offer money, even to someone in a body that is hard to look at. We all know the bodies that are hard to look at. “Even if.” We promise not to hold your body against you. Everyone knows you’re hard to look at, but we promise not to mind. We notice it, but we won’t mind. It’s so clear what “easy to look at” means here! Think of the bodies that are easy to see in publishing: those are the bodies that are easy to look at. Writers who know their own bodies do not fit in that category, bodies that are too big, too dark-skinned, not able-bodied, not cis or cis-passing, too queer, not conventionally attractive, and any combination thereof, know what it means, and what being “hard to look at” will cost them.
Publishing is overwhelmingly dominated by white, heterosexual, able-bodied women. What bodies do they think are hard to look at?
It says a great deal how common this attitude is within publishing that Herr did not think twice about having this quote attached to her name, that she did not wish to be quoted anonymously. Everyone will know what I mean. She likely will end up offering a public apology of some sort, something like, “What I meant to say was that we would pay any author of any size the same amount if the book was good; I merely acknowledged we live in a world where women’s appearances are often counted strongly for or against them.” And that will be fine, in its own way, but it’s also an extraordinary opportunity for the people working in publishing to look at how easy or how difficult they make it for fat writers, for queer writers, for writers of color, for writers with disabilities (especially those with immediately visible disabilities), to stop seeing size as a setback or a deviation from the norm that must be overcome with some additional, extra-special qualities.
I also simply and fundamentally disagree that a body can be hard to look at. You may or may not like someone else’s body; someone else’s body may elicit a sense of discomfort within you, but that does not make them hard to look at. You’re not hard to look at.
No one is hard to look at.
Mallory is an Editor of The Toast.
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grumblyqueer 139p · 464 weeks ago
jexx · 464 weeks ago
Social conditioning is real, apparently. Ugh.
123p · 464 weeks ago
EnchiladaTaco 123p · 464 weeks ago
leslieellenjones 109p · 464 weeks ago
I think one of my biggest breakthroughs in dealing with my own size and the degree to which it was other people's problem was when I went through a period when I had moved to another state and couldn't find work. This was on the cusp of the Internet era--nobody there knew me, I was applying for jobs via letter, and I wasn't even getting interviews.
My mother: "Well, I hate to say this <uh huh> but the reason you're not getting a job is probably because you're fat."
Me <thinking>: Yeah, she's right, nobody wants me because I'm fat.
LIGHTBULB FLASHES FIGURATIVELY OVER MY HEAD.
Me: Wait a minute! None of these people have ever even seen me! Are you telling me that they can tell I'm fat just by reading my resume?
kjschapira 108p · 464 weeks ago
Mrs_Peel 117p · 464 weeks ago
Doctor Jay · 464 weeks ago
walrathem 106p · 464 weeks ago
shinobi42 · 464 weeks ago
(Obviously, the rest of it is things like writing is HAAARD but you know, that's not helping.)
Alli525 111p · 464 weeks ago
hlmorris85 108p · 464 weeks ago
People have been saying since I was seven years old (the year I Got Fat) that I need to have confidence, that I just need to prove myself to break through the bullshit, but when the world repeatedly tells you that you have less worth than the Skinny Girl, not in words necessarily but in everything else, every day, is it any wonder that you start to feel like you are literally worth less? And then it cycles around and around.
From a writer's perspective, also, it feels like you have to know people to get a foot in the door, (yeah, no big, I'm just casual friends with Amy Poehler, right), and to do that you have to network, and to do that successfully you can't possibly be fat. [again, not necessarily factually true, but this is the shit the world feeds us.]
irishbreakfasttime 128p · 464 weeks ago
bnharrison32 124p · 464 weeks ago
lshininger 69p · 464 weeks ago
Sel · 464 weeks ago
Lily Rowan · 464 weeks ago
Burn them all to the ground.
Vera · 464 weeks ago
And yeah, most of them are YA or paranormal crap, sorry, I meant paranormal romance. Strangely enough, with all that "increased visibility" (FFS!), the most popular of "my" authors (and, incidentally, the only one who can actually write *and* create a decent story) is rather overweight, yet her books have been made into movies and TV series. I guess someone forgot to tell her she has problems in the visibility department. For crying out loud!
And here I was, thinking that the only thing a writer needed was imagination, a gift for words and something interesting and original to say. Stupid, stupid me.
Pinkeclaire 0p · 464 weeks ago
StoatCat 138p · 464 weeks ago
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MunchletteBelle 113p · 464 weeks ago
I still wtf about that from time to time.
HelenaCosimaSarah · 464 weeks ago
Small note: Over/underweight people aren't a protected class, so it's actually legal to pay people of one weight group less than another.
(Note 1: This is true at the federal level; there may be states in which weight groups are protected classes. Note 2: It would *not* be legal to pay overweight women less than women of normal weight, but not vary pay for men based on weight, since that would be sex discrimination. I think. IANAL.)
Christin · 464 weeks ago
auroarer 101p · 464 weeks ago
I am not naturally thin; my normal body state is small-boned but, let's say, cuddly. So the trade off is quite real if I'd rather write a few days a week than hit the gym.
PierrePoutine 126p · 464 weeks ago
ancientdame 113p · 464 weeks ago
I think of "hard to look at" in an Angela Chase, deep longing felt by an emotional teenager, overwhelmed by the possibility of one's own emotions kind of way.
theviciouscircle1 103p · 464 weeks ago
mmmcccfff 133p · 464 weeks ago
brigidkeely 112p · 464 weeks ago
I am hard to look at bc I'm a whirling vortex of fire, lightning, darkness, eyes, and teeth.
I am hard to look at bc I exist in several planes simultaneously.
I am hard to look at bc I am all teeth, claws, and photoluminescence in the darkest depths of the ocean.
I am hard to look at bc I fold like a vorpal sword, from 1 dimension to 4 dimensions.
I'm also fat, which has no bearing on how easy or hard it is to see my physical form although it is a handy excuse to ignore me, discount me, & deny my humanity.
greengeekgirl 93p · 464 weeks ago
But I do. What does that mean, if I do?
ClickityCat 85p · 464 weeks ago
roohbaroo · 464 weeks ago
paintingthegreyarea 117p · 464 weeks ago
diaryofamadeditor · 464 weeks ago
Then there is Elana Ferrante, whose work is so good, *we don't even know who she is or if she's "hard to look at" or purple or good at NPR interviews because she doesn't give interviews.* We have release parties. Her sales are AWESOME (which I add for the financially-minded supervisor approving how much I'm allowed to bid in the auction). And the whole Ferrante phenomenon, to me, proves that the investment we put into the mediagenic stuff should be taken with a grain of salt & scaled back about that much. I'll also point out that Ferrante is published by the beloved indie Europa, so it isn't answering to the same corporate media bosses. One day, my colleagues will (hopefully) understand that: It's About the Book.
chickpeas · 464 weeks ago
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nicholep 65p · 464 weeks ago
the pressure to be a good writer is bad enough, but now i also have to look good and be social media savvy and be a good interview and be a "culture fit" and and and
plus add in the emotional labor of "am i being fairly compensated and treated since i'm not a slim white woman with a (an?) MFA pedigree or a famous connection to blurb my work?" it's effin' exhausting.
i can't lie. when i saw that quote, i stopped for a minute and let the discouragement sit on me. then i brushed it off and kept pushing. i'm going to do my part to change this industry. i don't know how, but it'll get done. so say we all!
Stef Maruch · 464 weeks ago
mkpatter 114p · 464 weeks ago
wondertwin2 88p · 464 weeks ago
(I haven't published in any of these venues, but now I'm thinking of what would be the kookiest photo my boss would let me use.)
AmazingSandwich 109p · 464 weeks ago
Jessie · 464 weeks ago
Little_Lakes 95p · 464 weeks ago
popelizbet 109p · 464 weeks ago
No one is hard to look at.
Thank you, Mallory.
ETA haha I'm crying now life is a rich tapestry
ireenesiniakis 13p · 464 weeks ago
Sonnet · 464 weeks ago
I'm 400lbs, I don't mind saying, and an editor. I have made it a point to represent and reach out to fat authors precisely because of this issue. We have stories to tell and a unique perspective, and representation in media matters. If I had known even one successful fat author, heck even one successful fat person, as a teenager it would have changed a lot for me. As an adult, I'm determined to be that person for the girls who are teens now.
Peyton · 464 weeks ago
Lynch said a terrible thing. It was cruel to fat people, who are no better or worse as writers (or as people) than their thin counterparts, and who deserve as many opportunities as anyone else. I'm a (thin) black woman. Lynch did not mention people of color, and yet Mallory was kind enough to share this insult with us too, because dark-skinned women are widely considered hard to look at too, right? Black women probably don't have enough discouragement as it is. Let's make it clear that if editors are shallow enough to discriminate against fat people, they certainly can't stand blacks. Obviously Mallory wants to make it clear that SHE doesn't consider us ugly. (She doesn't consider anyone ugly!) She's just pointing out that mostly everyone else does.
I have the feeling that while your average white feminist seems to want to be helpful, a part of them would just like to reaffirm that someone else is below them on the social ladder. This can be as discouraging as discourse from outright racists. An outright racist might say: black women, you'll probably never achieve anything because you're biologically inferior. An average white feminist might say: black women, you'll probably never achieve anything because everyone hates and devalues you.
As a black woman I encounter a lot of little race-related zingers, many completely unintentional. Lately, a good deal of them come from white women lamenting that women of color are way outside the accepted standard of beauty; how terrible it is that women of color are denied opportunities just because society considers them ugly. In fact, "society" does not consider black women ugly. Black super models and singers and actresses exist, and have massive, mainstream aesthetic appeal. They also contribute to shaping a standard of beauty, and yes, it's still pretty narrow and problematic, but that you think dark-skinned writers must know their bodies don't fit into the category of "easy to look at" says at least as much about you as it does about the society you're supposedly critiquing. Sometimes it feels like racists and white feminists are coming from the same place: insisting on their own superiority. The only difference is that white feminists claim to WISH we lived in a world where we were all equal. The more white feminists put me down and call me ugly (just in everyone else's eyes, of course), the more I suspect that wish is in fact a bit hollow.
To be clear, high profile/powerful people do sometimes say cruel things against dark-skinned people. In that case, sure, call them out. In this case, it's good of you to call someone out for saying something cruel against fat people. No one should be called "hard-to-look-at." But in this case you read the words "hard to look at" and thought, "Oh! I should also defend dark-skinned people (and a whole host of other people "society" thinks I'm better than), who are obviously considered hard to look at too." Can you see why this might be hurtful?
Head4Hatrack 122p · 464 weeks ago
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