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On sexual harassment in the restaurant industry:

“When you file a complaint, you look like a bad guy, because now they have to go through this process and there is a paper trail, and they wind up taking you off the schedule or they’ll ostracise you,” says Kirk.

A third of restaurant workers said that they did not report sexual harassment from their co-workers and their managements because they feared their shifts would get worse. Worse shifts mean worse tips, which means a lower pay check at the end of the week.


While we’re on restaurants, this look at the Chinese immigrants who staff them is really good:

Rain’s friend told him to find a job farther away, “so the boss will treat you better.” Rain found work in South Carolina, where he stayed for two months. “At the beginning, I couldn’t do anything—I could only clean up, do a little frying,” he told me. “Now I can do pretty much anything.” He encountered his first eggroll and his first fortune cookie, and learned how to prepare dishes he had never seen in China. He practiced using cornstarch to make a crispy coating on General Tso’s chicken and to thicken the sauce for beef with broccoli. Like most cooks in busy Chinese restaurants, he figured out how to use a single knife, a heavy cleaver, for everything from cleaning shrimp to mincing garlic. “It’s important that you do it fast,” he said.


The afterlife of your stolen bike:

Sergeant Hall—stout, balding, mellow—says that for years he’d heard rumors about Bicycle Pull Apart. Once he began digging he found that more than half the store’s purchases or pawns last year were from convicted felons—“almost all for property crimes or drug crimes.” Pawnshops and similar used goods stores are required by city law to keep online records of their transactions, including serial numbers and customer ID info. Several of these customers’ names were entered incorrectly, and one entry listed the wrong serial number for a stolen Litespeed Tuscany worth $835. “Upon seeing the imprinted serial number,” Hall wrote in his arrest report, “I can only conclude it was intentionally mistyped as the number was clear.”


Amazing interview with Charles Blow:

And endurance becomes this ambient thing in your life; it becomes your constant. It is not just to play and grow up and fall in love, but it is to endure. It becomes the paramount motivation in your life. The tragedy when you hear young men say, Oh I never thought I’d be 18 or 21 without going to jail or being in the grave. I’ve heard this too much. If that is being drilled into your mind, what kind of psychological damage does that do to you, and to your relationship to society? And in addition to that, whatever damage is being done, society is amplifying the damage by misconstruing the data and concepts so that we overestimate black crime, we overestimate black hostility, we overestimate black aggression. We ascribe it everything dark and negative. In that kind of hostile milieu of black bodies that have been tortured in a way, in a system that is designed to destroy it, these concepts of black being dangerous and wrong, you can have the unfortunate crossing of those wires and you get shootings. I don’t know how to fix that. I don’t know if I’m equipped to answer that.


Incredibly sad.



This Reason article (and Reason has actually been great on police brutality coverage this summer, so they LULLED US) on consent is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read [about consent] and I’ll link it for you but I’ll also give you a screenshot excerpt in case you want to stick with that (also, the URL is ruining-sex-in-california, for lolz):

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Allow me to recommend Nichole Perkins’ awesome piece on being a black female domme looking for white male subs as a palate cleanser:

Nashville has a strong underground D/s and swinging culture, but the more I researched, the more I knew I’d never join any clubs or ask to be invited as a guest to explore my options. Through FetLife, I learned that the local men who were masters or dominants were almost all white and the language in their profiles frequently set off my internal racist alarms. I saw one man with a picture of a Confederate flag belt buckle he used for flogging. The most popular local club, or “professional dungeon,” lists in its code of conduct that “respect should always be accorded to every individual…” but when I’d see the expected attendees for gatherings, I’d cringe at how few people of color seemed to be present. There were some black men who were doms, but based on their profiles, they were masters of primarily white women. If I’d reached out to them, I think I would’ve been ignored or rejected. I didn’t feel like I’d be safe or respected if I tried to attend one of the gatherings — not as someone new to the life and definitely not as a black woman.

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All of these arguments are made by men who have extreme difficulty getting women to have sex with them.
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God, everything is the worst today.
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Another cop shot another black teenager in St. Louis last night - http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/st-louis-p...
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Poor Ruth Thalia.
The audio version of "The Contestant," ends with Ruth's mom singing, and it is just wow. I would recommend the Radio Ambulante version as well if you speak some Spanish.
Someone put the woman who wrote that Reason article in detention. I think she needs to copy out Mallory's essay from Monday on the blackboard 50 times.
I'd like to link toasties to this kickstarter, which is dedicated to creating a magazine for MOGAI characters where their sexuality or gender identity isn't the focus of the story. It seems like our kind of thing!

They're already a quarter of their way to their goal and they have 22 days to go. Once I get some money, I'll be pledging too!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/candystar/vi...
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EW EW EW EW I DO NOT NEED CONVINCING
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Thank you for linking to the story about Ruth Thalia. I read it last week and I've been thinking about her and her family ever since.
I have been sexually assaulted and I have experimented, explored, discovered, and generally been a sexually-active teenager, and let me tell you. There is a world of difference. Most people can tell the difference. Rapists can tell the difference, they just don't care/prefer it if consent is not present. There is research backing this up. I'm sick unto death of people claiming that sex is just so darned confusing that rape can't help but happen. Rapists. Know. What. They. Are. Doing.
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If I'm not in the mood to have sex, that doesn't mean I want "convincing" out of my "comfort zone" it means I don't fucking want to have sex right then. Ughh. Ughhhhhh.
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So glad you linked to the Nichole Perkins article - I read it earlier this week and was glad not only to hear a black woman's perspective on d/s, but the perspective of someone who's not 100% into the culture 100% of the time total expert domme!!! but used what she was comfortable with and figured out what turned her on as she went. (I'm not into d/s but I think we need to hear more of these figure-it-out-as-you-go stories about sexuality.)
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YES! I can enthusiastically consent to p-in-v without it starting that instant.
The New Yorker piece about Rain and the Chinese restaurants was really really great and it left me feeling really hopeful on what has so far been a fucking shitstain of a day.
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The article on Chinese restaurant workers destroyed me.
The Ruth Thalia article ground whatever was left in to dust.
And now Im starting the consent article. Oh god.
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I skipped the consent article and went to the Perkins essay instead. Why eat crap when you can have sorbet!
There's a big difference between experimentation when both partners are okay with the idea that they will be experimenting, and "she didn't say no, so obviously that means yes!"
I am currently refusing to harsh my birthday joys by reading sad things. Is that awful? I feel like it might be awful.
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He wasn't even on duty!!!!! An OFF-DUTY cop shot a black teenager.
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"And someone who requires convincing is not yet in a position to offer "affirmative" much less "enthusiastic" consent."

This sentence is giving me deep doubts about the ability of words to mean things. I would use this same sentence to explain why "gray areas" in consent are in fact coercion.

I am going to go weep in the corner, for both words and people.
Ugh, ugh, ugh. My first job was in a restaurant. I was 15. It was a very, very fancy restaurant and usually full of rich older people. One day, I was bringing stuff back to the kitchen and and one such older guy grabbed my ass. I was more annoyed than upset and I just let it go and haven't really thought about it until I saw this article about sexual harassment in restaurants, but thinking back -- there's not a chance I could have reported that, even if I was really upset about it. Nothing would have happened, with the possible exception of me being made fun of by my coworkers. Ugh.

And that article about sexual consent just makes me want to bang my head against the desk. I also read a few articles on nymag yesterday that were on the sidebar of this week's Ask Polly, and the articles themselves (about sexual assault in the alt-lit community, and roofies, and one super innocuous article about the silly things "women definitely want" according to men's magazines) weren't the problem -- but I ventured into the comment section, and oh man. I think I've just given up. I guess The Toast has made me forget that internet commenters are the worst. And it's not like just a couple of bad comments -- they're ALL awful. UGH.
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oh my god, the sex consent thing, what does that remind me of, let's see, oh yeah:

Je crois que jai déjà écrit dans mes notes que lamour ressemblait fort à une torture ou à une opération chirurgicale. Mais cette idée peut être développée de la manière la plus amère. Quand même les deux amants seraient très épris et très pleins de désirs réciproques, lun des deux sera toujours plus calme ou moins possédé que lautre. Celui-là, ou celle-là, cest lopérateur, ou le bourreau; lautre, cest le sujet, la victime.

('I think I already wrote in my notes that the act of love strongly resembles a torture or a surgical operation. But this idea can be developed in the most bitter manner. Even should the two lovers be both infatuated and very full of reciprocal desire, one of the two will always be calmer or less possessed than the other. This one, or that one, is the operator or the executioner; the other, the patient, the victim.")

hey you know what Baudelaire's not famous for? BEING GOOD AT FUCKING.
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If you think no one will have sex any more because of consent laws and you think it will Ruin Sex Forever, all I can say is You Are Doing It Wrong.
I quit a restaurant job when I was 16 because the 30-something (male) chef kept hitting on me and making really inappropriate comments. Then, he started asking the kitchen manager to put me specifically on food prep so I would be alone in the back of the kitchen with him. I was too afraid/ashamed to say anything, so I had to quit my job. NOT OKAY, RESTAURANT INDUSTRY.
And every time I see someone upset about the potential for a law to "ruin good men" I think of that scene in Better Off Dead where the guy says, "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that." I don't know why, I just do.
1. Not surprised a magazine called Reason doesn't know what it's talking about re: consent.

2. "Nashville has a strong underground D/s and swinging culture..." WHY ISN'T THIS PART OF THE SHOW!?
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I am happy with the fact that we talk about how foreplay is a thing and you shouldn't expect a woman to be ready for vigorous PIV at the drop of a hat and that we talk about how desire is a complicated thing. But I wish we would get past the idea that women have to be "convinced" to have sex, or "warmed up" or "seduced" or anything else that continues to position women as the gatekeepers to sex and men as the seekers, and also past the idea that women aren't really all that into sex. People who are opposed to affirmative consent seem to think that most women don't actually want to have sex and will say "no" if they are asked prior to being on the receiving end of whatever no-fail seduction technique is being employed. For some of us, "wanna fuck?" IS a no-fail seduction technique (I think in the 3+ years I have been with my partner, I have turned him down once, because I was exhausted and bleeding and I didn't want to deal with the mess). But "yes, sure, I wanna" doesn't absolve you from foreplay, because being emotionally/mentally in the mood isn't the same as being physically aroused (also, btw, arousal is not the same as consent, just because the body is responding to your advances doesn't mean the person is).
Sex is more fun when everyone involved knows that all the other involved parties want to be there and are enjoying themselves. If you find that women are not giving you affirmative consent, perhaps the problem is not affirmative consent, but you.
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Maybe we don't have enough awfulness in the Roundup today? Just in case, here's some more! Let's treat employees like default thieves while stealing their time/wages! IRONY.
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/08/amazons_gross_new...
No, it's your birthday. Sad things will still be there tomorrow. Also Happy Birthday!
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Why is Reason writing about sex at all?
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I'm really confused in particular by Dalmia's exasperation over verbal, enthusiastic consent needing to be obtained at every stage of a sexual interaction. I don't know, am I freakishly lucky that my partner and I already do that? Things don't happen unless I've said the words "I want ____". I thought that was standard...
There's a scene in some TV show (I think it was Six Feet Under) where a couple is making out, and the man keeps saying things like "may I put my hands on your breasts?". Every time he wants to do something, he asks for consent, and eventually the woman is like "um, this is not fun anymore, we are done." I think that a lot of people think that that is the only way affirmative consent can work, and that it is inherently unsexy and unfun. (And also that all women just want a man to take charge and do whatever they want)
But it can be sexy and fun. And it can also be practical and that's okay.
But no, verbal consent at every stage is not standard, there is a lot of sexual activity that is basically "partner A tries something, partner B stops them if they don't want it to happen."
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Here's what gets me about all the whining about consent:

Men keep saying that a woman might accuse them of rape even though they totes didn't rape, she was into it, she's just saying that after the fact.

Let's operate on the assumption that maybe this unlikely scenario happened. Maybe you did get consent, maybe the woman you are with got pissed at you and is the kind of terrible person who would accuse you of rape even when you did not rape her.

Has anyone noticed how incredibly fucking privileged this is? How guys are like, "But I might have to only go to bed with people I trust not to be terrible people! There might be a time where I have sex with someone and there are horrible consequences because I misjudged the type of person they are. I might have to deal with other people judging me. I might have to talk to police and feel shame and get punished in ways that I didn't even deserve."

Oh, so you're afraid of your sex life becoming like every woman's out there? Except, you know, without the horrible physical violence and psychological ramifications that come with being raped?

Seriously, all this fucking whining about "ruining sex." Women have dealt with this ALWAYS. We have ALWAYS had to pick our partners carefully because if we choose wrong, he might do something terrible to us and then we will have to deal with social shunning and police contempt and potential job loss and ALL THIS SHIT THEY'RE AFRAID OF.

It's not new that the worst possible world a man can imagine is one in which they have toned-down versions of the experiences women have now, but it's written all over the objections to active consent.
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Only the first two sentences (of the Reason quote) rang true for me, as they made me think of long-term relationships where the initial infatuation has cooled and, due to long familiarity and the monotonous routine of daily life, something like weary indifference settles in its place. This isn't to say the relationship is doomed, it just has to be negotiated differently. And I think it's true in those situations, there's rarely a night where both partners are equally in the mood to throw their clothes off with abandon.

BUT EVEN THEN, the approach for sex -- everything involving seduction and foreplay -- does not in the least require dubious consent. You make the opening, verbally and physically, but there will come a point when the partner WHOM YOU KNOW WELL will let you know, with no more room for argument, whether or not it's a possibility that evening. And if it's not, you stop. End of story. There's isn't infinite room for "coaxing." Fuck you if you think there is.

Also, women do not require more coaxing, fuck you for that too.

(My brain feels slow and stupid this morning, so I don't know if I said this right, but I feel it's important.)
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Uuuuuuugghhhh that consent article.

It is not that complicated. And I say this as someone with a boyfriend who has a higher sex drive than mine, and I sometimes will jokingly use the phrase "convince me" but I am never going to say that unless I am 100% mentally on board with the idea and just need to get physically into it. Usually the reminder of "oh right you have a physical form that will enjoy this" works! (Hormonal birth control fucked me up.) Or after 10 minutes I'll be like "meh this is not going to happen" and then we go back to Netflix!

Am I training him wrong? Should I stop this pattern for the good of team active consent?
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I'm so baffled by the horrendous sex all these douchecanoes are having. Some of the hottest experiences of my life have followed explicit questions about whether you want to do XYZ.
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I love that the subhead of the consent article is, "And it won't stop rape."

WHAT? A law that won't make illegal behavior zap out of existence? Well, fuck! Shut down the legislatures, kids, I guess this "passing laws" thing just isn't working to prevent crime.
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Yeeeesh, that consent article. Good hell. That clip is all I need to know....to justify BURNING EVERYTHING.
I always say that one of the reasons I continued to see my now-husband was that, in contrast to a lot of other men I'd dated who tried to push my boundaries or work around them or whatever, when it looked like sexy happenings were going to occur said "what do you want to do?" and checked in a few times during "good?" (affirmative consent doesn't have to involve full sentences!) which was entirely different but welcome! And made even that awkward first fumbling worth checking into more. It was very welcome, to the point that the "oh ha what that was an implicit or explicit no? surely you're not serious" attitude of dudez was never okay again.
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Nicole - for your link roundup consideration: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/10/st...

A compelling argument for global warming imo.
OT, completely OT--if one's boss gives on a bottle of wine at the beginning of a work day alongside a card, in which is written the following:

"We always say we should indulge during the work day--it's your birthday, I say go for it!"

AND the aforementioned bottle of wine is a screwtop AND aforementioned boss is gone for the afternoon....

I mean

that's totally permission, right
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Sometimes, when people complain about enthusiastic consent, I see signs that they didn't date a lot and are now in a long term relationship? In a long term relationship (oh god I'm talking about my sex life) it's fairly normal for one person to be like "Sex?" and the other to be like "UGH, but LAUNDRY." or "Today was the worst, so maybe backrubs forever instead?" Sex is still on the table in these situations, but there's not a lot of enthusiasm, per se.

The "didn't date a lot, now in a long term relationship" thing is my own history, and while I was tentatively onboard with enthusiastic consent from the beginning, I was concerned that my relationship didn't meet these standards. I kept my mouth shut, because obviously when you are partners it's OK to be a little more open about ambivalence towards sex, and obviously it's more important to give tools and words to people in shitty situations than it is to do the same for people who are in a pretty good place, but maybe other people are very very invested in not having some aspect of their lives be considered unacceptable.

Could we come up with vocabulary which can be a subset of enthusiastic consent which means "I like you, I like having sex with you, but you are going to have to do some housework or emotional work or something before I'm in a state to find sex appealing, and even then, no guarantees, but seriously, you are my favorite person and I don't mind if you try to convince me to have sex via <cough> taking off most of your clothes and helping me fold laundry with like music on and ridiculous dancing. "

That is; there is superficial similarity between the above and garden variety whinging until sex occurs: but there is an obvious difference.

OhGod please tell me if I'm wrong because that is information I need to know.
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Is Shel Silverstein appropriate commentary on the whole "yes/didn't say no" thing, or is this poem problematic? I'm having trouble seeing through my lens of "but I love him." https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/20656-the-bagpip...
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Every time I see one of these anti-Affirmative Consent articles, all I can think is, "what kind of awful boring bad sex are these people having that they can't tell the different between YES! and any other thing?"

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