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DraperIt has long been a dream of mine to throw a party where everyone has to come dressed as an unpopular wife from a prestigious drama on cable television and treat each other with respect the entire night. I would dearly love to see just one day on TV where all the fancy, brutal male protagonists have to act like their loathed spouses, where the viewing public took a twentieth of the love they bear for Tami Taylor and spread it around to the rest of the fictional Mrses.

Actress Anna Gunn, who plays Skyler White on Breaking Bad, wrote an op-ed in the New York Times this weekend, has given full expression to this wish of mine:

[A]s a human being, I’m concerned that so many people react to Skyler with such venom. Could it be that they can’t stand a woman who won’t suffer silently or “stand by her man”? That they despise her because she won’t back down or give up? Or because she is, in fact, Walter’s equal?

It’s notable that viewers have expressed similar feelings about other complex TV wives — Carmela Soprano of “The Sopranos,” Betty Draper of “Mad Men.” Male characters don’t seem to inspire this kind of public venting and vitriol.

What would it look like, if they did?

The Sopranos: Tony Soprano drives into New York City to bring Meadow a plate of braciole, stops at A.J.’s orthodontist on the way back, and then successfully convinces their housekeeper not to quit just because Carmela called her a “Polack bitch” and threw a phone at her head for asking if she could launder her robe. Afterwards, he drops a ricotta pie at Carmela’s mother’s nursing home. Carmela’s mother hurls invectives at him for not remembering she prefers pineapple in hers. Tony reminds her she is always welcome to come live with them. He then meets with their local priest to pray that Carmela accept Jesus into her heart. When Carmela arrives home at two am, reeking of perfume, claiming to have been at her waste-management facility sorting out a worker dispute, Tony is mildly chilly to her, but gets up to make her a sandwich just the same. Coming back with the sandwich, Tony stares briefly at the closed bedroom door, shrugs his shoulders with resignation, and goes inside.

Mad Men: Don spends the entire morning staring at the wall-mounted clock in the kitchen and smoking cigarettes after both Megan and Betty forget his birthday. Later that day, he goes to the grocery store and shoplifts a carton of eggs. When the stock boy tries to stop him just before the door, he kisses him, then drops the carton and sprints for the car. When picking the kids up from school, instead of ignoring Sally, he criticizes her shoes. Megan spends the entire afternoon eating oysters and comparing French prostitutes with French-Canadian prostitutes with Roger, then brings a package of matches and cocktail olives home from the bar when she realizes in a sudden panic that it’s Don’s birthday just before closing time. Don eats almost half of his birthday cake alone in the bathtub, stubbing out his cigarettes in the chunks he can’t finish. 

Breaking Bad: Walter White works at a car wash all day, then makes dinner for his children without being congratulated for doing so.

Game of Thrones: Cersei and Sansa ride horses and confer authoritatively with their quartermasters, while back at King’s Landing Jaime and Tyrion get drunk and undermine each other sexually. Later that night, Sansa climbs into Joffrey’s bedchambers and whispers horrific threats into his ears, promising to personally slice off his nipples and eat them in front of him unless he marries Margaery Tyrell. North of the Wall, Sam and the rest of the Night’s Watchman discover an ancient and ramshackle cabin full of incredibly vicious pregnant virgins.  Walder Frey is once again bullied by his numerous wives and daughters into putting on a Spring Fling ball for the entire Riverrun region, where Brienne of Tarth is voted Queen of the Fling. Tywin Lannister leaves early and cries in an alley after overhearing two bodyguards calling him “the ugliest man…at the dance.”

Sons of Anarchy: Jax spends an entire afternoon telling anyone at the bar who will listen that “there are no lengths I won’t go to to protect my family. My family is my life. I’ll do anything for my family,” after his pregnant wife leaves him to move into the clubhouse. Meanwhile, his girlfriend Tara breaks him up with, convinced that her nomadic lifestyle and violent ways are ruining his chances at a better life.

The Walking Dead: After her husband is nearly raped by a drunk and depressed Shane, Lori becomes even more withdrawn and taciturn. Rick’s chaotic and hormonal behavior during her pregnancy leads her to doubt his ability to withstand the pressures of parenthood, and finds herself strangely relieved when he dies from the effects of gangrene shortly after she gives birth. She continues to be plagued by strange dreams of a headless Rick, whose body she later finds partially consumed by a grotesquely swollen walker. After Rick’s death, which severs what few remaining ties Lori had to her past and to civilized behavior, she is finally free to take her place as leader of the survivors.

Artwork: Jen Hickman is a comic artist and illustrator with a penchant for drawing luxurious hair, arguments, arguments in the rain, and small spats between minor background characters.

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The one about Lori from Walking Dead hurts me deep inside. I caught up on the show pretty late, after the fandom had pretty much established that Lori was THE WORST MOM EVER GOD DO WE HATE LORI. I could never figure out what the hell they were talking about.
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I actually hate pretty much everyone on that show, especially the women, but it's only because the writers do not know how to write human beings. I am convinced that whole writer's room is made up of like, aliens in man suits, like in Men in Black.
Wait, say more?

(I may or may not be an alien in a man suit, tasked with advancing our infiltration techniques.)
I haven't kept up with the show after like, the first season, but from what I've seen it's kind of amazing the show is so awful at being a show about human beings, while the video games are among the best at being video games about human beings (tho I'm still super pissed that 400 Days lost my saves).
The Telltale ones? Yeah, those are not affiliated with the show at all, that's why.
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Anonymous · 605 weeks ago

"When the stock boy tries to stop him just before the door, he kisses him, then drops the carton and sprints for the car."

This killed me. I would pay good money to see this.
2 replies · active 605 weeks ago
Yes, also the bathtub birthday cake. This would be a great episode.
"I'm doing stuff, Rick. Things."
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10000 buckets · 605 weeks ago

Prior to last season, AMC posted a promo picture of Rick, Lori, and Andrea. One of the first facebook comments was "Rick with the two whores." I know that internet = asshole, but I was still floored. I can't decide if that particular asshole really feels that strongly about premarital sex (as Lori believed herself a widow), or if he's just the kind of person who can only categorize women in two ways - family members or prostitutes.
Megan Draper is the one that probably confuses me the most. I mean, all she tries to do is normal life things, like "having a job" and "not getting yelled at for doing that job" and "occasionally eating food for dinner instead of just whiskey."
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megmuoio · 605 weeks ago

The hatred of Megan is so knee-jerk! I don't understand it either!

It seems like every poster on every Mad Men message board: (1) constantly criticizes "MegaDon" (most annoying portmanteau ever), and (2) cannot get over the fact that Sal is not coming back, even 5 years later. These people are resistant to logic.
I think the Megan-haters feel like Incredibly Awesome Aspirational Figure Don Draper tying himself down to a wife only obstructs his aspirational awesomeness in such pursuits as banging strangers and staying out all night without consequences and taking boss Nestea plunges into rye-filled swimming pools.

Those folks seem to have missed the glaringly obvious points: that when he met Megan, Don was drowning in that rye-filled swimming pool, that he was already looking for a sweet wide-eyed woman to marry (as Dr. Faye predicted: "You'll be married again in a year"), that he is desperate for a Madonna figure ostensibly to care for his children but really to nurture his long-neglected inner child, that Megan appeared to be happy with a fling on Don's office sofa while Don is the one who pursued more.

I was a little stunned that Megan accepted his proposal; who wants to spend a lifetime taking care of that swampy drunk? And "taking care" is clearly what he wants. Megan didn't witness Don's powerful reign at Sterling-Cooper, so --- unlike, for example, Allison --- she wasn't influenced by some leftover glamorous haze that colored her perception of him.

When Megan's mother appeared and we saw the dynamic between them play out, with her stumbling off to bed and Megan quietly following after to attend her, everything clicked into place for me. She's a well-trained caregiver and she spends the first part of her marriage to Don reenacting that role.

So Don (and the people who think he's an Awesome Aspirational Figure instead of a cautionary tale) unconsciously believes he's made a bargain with Megan: I am your most precious responsibility and you will make all other goals secondary to my unpredictable and unhealthy needs. Every time she quite reasonably puts her own desires and needs first --- or not even first, just neck-and-neck with Don's --- she violates his unthinking belief about marriage.
I don't either. She is FABULOUSNESS PERSONIFIED. (So is Jane. And Mona).
"Megan spends the entire afternoon eating oysters and comparing French prostitutes with French-Canadian prostitutes with Roger, then brings a package of matches and cocktail olives home from the bar when she realizes in a sudden panic that it’s Don’s birthday just before closing time."

Does anyone else want this show to exist really bad?

I like Megan, but I also think she was really inconsistently written. She was a wide-eyed waif, she was a knowing career gal, she was whatever the writers needed her to be at any given moment. We're given so little regarding her inner life/actual desires. Like, why the hell did she marry Don to begin with? Have we ever been given a reason? So I think some of the hatred directed toward her is sexist - if someone hates Betty and Megan at the same time this is almost a guarantee- but some of it stems from pure confusion. They told the viewers that they should care about Megan but never told them WHY. Except for the automatic sympathy that being married to a terrible person like Don gets you.
I miss S5 Megan, who sang and flashed her ass at a party, and kicked ass at her job and was like, "You bastard, you're going to watch me clean up after your stupid surprise party." This year, she was very... not that.
Winona Hawkins lives above a bar, gets a bad haircut and sleeps with a hot bartender while Raylan sadly puts together a crib all by himself, contemplates paint colors for the nursery.
What annoys me about the Breaking Bad thing is that Skyler's character is having her arc and SHE'S SO GOOD IN IT. I don't understand why people won't accept that this is a great actress who is making you react through a great performance. She's holding her own against Brian Cranston for Christ's sakes in an awesome story. I wasn't a big fan of her piece because I think she would have been better off with a lead argument that her character is changing just like Walter White and that shift is supposed to make you react, like all good writing. But what do I know? I've never been the victim of that magnitude of online hate before, so I bet it's kind of scary.
3 replies · active 604 weeks ago
I haven't seen the current or the recently finished season yet, so I'm a little behind, but the thing that strikes me about what I know of Skylar's story line is that it actually seems a little realistic. I would've been in denial about Walt's involvement in meth too! I would also be really conflicted about the fact that he is making tons of money at a time when we are financially precarious, and be troubled with the idea of my husband being involved with crime! I don't know.

What little I've seen of the Skylar hate really makes me wonder what they honestly expect of her... in the first couple of seasons, all she knows is that her husband is sick and does a lot of incredibly erratic things.. and she's supposed to do what? Just be okay with that? Just magically assume that he is trying to make money illegally for the sake of the family? She can't read the asshole's mind.
They want her to just keep her mouth shut and accept everything Walter does. To stay in the background washing dishes. That is the long and short of it.
At some point in S4/S5, I realized that Skyler was more interesting to me than Walt, in large part because Walt passed his moral event-horizon a long way back while Skyler's might still be out there in front of her. Walt will do anything to get his way, which makes him a less interesting character for me; there's no integrity to violate.

But for the first season, Skyler was little more than an obstructive device --- and worse, she and Marie were obstructive devices written in lazy "ladies, amirite?" clichés: the nagging wife with her veggie bacon and her hectoring over budgets, the sister-in-law who never shuts up, the lady who craves pretty high heels, the perfunctorily-delivered birthday handjob as one more small humiliation driving a mild-mannered man to become a criminal. It's unspeakably lazy.
This is why I watch none of these shows and am obsessed with Call the Midwife.
5 replies · active 604 weeks ago
LET'S TALK ABOUT CHUMMY
<3Chummy!<3 She is beyond fab. I cried at the end of Season 3. I also love Sister Bernadette and that whole storyline. And Sister Angelina is amazing. Heck, what am I saying, I love them all.
And Sister Monica Joan! And Sister Julienne. But yes, all of them. I just finished Season 2, and I'm not a crier at all usually, but there's almost always something in every episode that makes me tear up.
LET'S ALWAYS TALK ABOUT CHUMMY
Super-late reply, but oh my god. I've only seen Season One, but I cried at a majority of the episodes, and bawled like a tiny baby at episode five.
Later that night, Sansa climbs into Joffrey’s bedchambers and whispers horrific threats into his ears, promising to personally slice off his nipples and eat them in front of him

I wish this actually happens. Also, what would been an appropriate thing for Catelyn, who is GoT's Irrationally Hated Mother/Wife Figure? (The hatred for Cersei is somewhat more rational; the Sansa hate is just rooted in straight misogny.)
4 replies · active 604 weeks ago
Robb Stark listens to his mother's advice, everybody survives?
I'll take that.
In a bid to save his sister's lives, Rob lets Cersei free. He also convinces a powerful knight to serve him after he witnesses the knight's (unrequited) love die in his arms, killed by magic.

Catelyn responds to the news of her children's deaths by nailing the first cute enemy soldier she sees. While sad. While very, very sad.

Wait, are we doing the show? Because then she'd marry a cute medic. Oh man! Ned Stark's perfect grieving widow marries, idk, Hot Pie! I like it.
Show or books, there's a lot of hate by misogynerds all around. Why not go all the way and have Catelyn hook up with Gendry? I mean, not the same as a cute enemy soldier, but.. Gendry.
Eh, Sansa lives in a dreamworld at first, and she does nothing but whine once it goes to shit. Obviously, she's in a horrible situation, but her character can still be a little grating.

That turns out to be one of the reasons I like her so much, though, because we've slowly been watching her find her footing. I have a feeling by the end of the series we'll get to see her embrace her inner Stark and kick some serious ass.
Yeah, but she's 11/13 (book/tv), and I'm not going to give her much shit for not knowing how to deal with the world crashing around her after living a pretty sheltered existence. I think people are just more prone to sympathize with Arya since she's a tomboy while Sansa embraced more traditional gender roles while growing up.

(Sansa is a complete bitch to Arya though, no denying that.)
I really, really want that version of Game of Thrones. "ramshackle cabin full of incredibly vicious pregnant virgins" might be the most beautiful phrase I've ever read.
Ugh, for like 2 or 3 seasons all of the Skyler hate made it so hard for me to enjoy Breaking Bad. I eventually caught up and can watch it again, but only because I have that smug satisfactory feeling knowing that anybody who cheers for Walt while simultaneously hating on Skyler is a terrible person with bad opinions.
2 replies · active 604 weeks ago
Can we talk about how OBVIOUSLY AWFUL Walt was even before he became a meth kingpin?

His relationship with his former best friend and colleague Elliot became so strained that he walked away from a promising start-up to cut off contact.

He's also estranged from his mother, as we learn in passing in the 3rd or 4th episode (when Skyler suggests borrowing money from WW's mother as a last resort).

The guy appears to be a legit chemistry genius, yet he was unable or unwilling to keep jobs at both Sandia and Los Alamos, and ends up teaching high school kids for little money, bad insurance, and no satisfaction.

He's clearly a lousy teacher. In the first episode, we see his students despise him and are eager for a chance to humiliate him as he humiliates them. Look at how viciously, nastily, and --- above all --- gleefully Walter refuses to tell Jessie why he should follow Walt's protocol in getting rid of Emilio's body. Later, when the bathtub comes crashing down, we see that it takes Walt all of three seconds to explain it, but he'd rather deliver that as a told-you-so than spend a few seconds giving the most important chemistry lesson of his life.

He's not a good person turned bad by desperate circumstances; he's a sour, poisonous person whose desperate circumstances finally gave him a rationale to vent his inner venom without restraint.
YES THANK YOU THANK YOU. It's clear from the VERY BEGINNING he is an awful person driven entirely by his ego and his unwillingness (and/or inability) to admit he isn't the smartest most capable person around. Whenever people try to defend Walt/slander Skyler by saying, "but he's doing this for his family, and Skyler is just being selfish, blah blah blah," it's like, "but he turned down that job offered to him by his old colleagues which had great pay and insurance that would have completely covered his treatment." So, yeah, Walt never got any sympathy from me, and it's been clear from the start he isn't somebody the audience should be looking up to/cheering for.

And it's like, this is written this way too, I don't know how people can't see it. Spoilers for people who haven't seen anything yet. It must have been earlier in season 5a when Jesse is trying to get Walt to quit, since he had more money at that point than he needed to make sure his family would be "secure" after he died, but Walt was all, "I'm not doing this for the money, I'm doing it to make an empire." Like, it's right there, and how people can sit there and say he EVER started cooking meth for any reason besides vanity blows my mind.
This comment contains a mild SPOILER for Breaking Bad S5, ep.9 ("Blood Money," the premier ep of the second half of S5).

In the flash-forward at the beginning of "Blood Money," when Walter breaks into his old home and sees HEISENBERG graffitoed on the wall, I said out loud "Oh, it's his greatest dream: to see his name in giant letters."

It doesn't even have to be his name. He just wants to know he's left his mark --- his tragic, dreadful mark --- on the world before he goes.
Yeah. I don't love Breaking Bad as much as the rest of the world because I can't even cheer for Walt as an anti-hero. He's just an asshole and I don't care what happens to him.

The only characters I really liked were Gus and Mike. At least Gus was classy as fuck.
Seriously, I'm waiting until somebody deservedly kills Walt. Dude is an asshole who has fucked up so many lives.

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