How to Suck at Queer Allyship: A Case Study -The Toast

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bscap012_thumbShannon Keating’s last unpleasant run-in with men was here.

Say you’re this straight guy. You’re an artsy, liberal-minded type, employed in some capacity by the music industry. You live in Brooklyn. You have a beard. You get laid with relative regularity. You think you are very, very cool.

On a summer Sunday night, you’re on a rooftop bar in Williamsburg, and you’re three gin and tonics deep. You’ve met up with a friend of yours from work and some of her friends. You are altruistic and charming, so you buy everyone shots of Jameson, then teach them all your favorite toast: “Here’s to pussy and gunpowder; one brought me into this world, the other will take me out, and I love the smell of both.”

“We can make up a version involving penises, for the ladies,” you offer. You’re generous like that.

Your new acquaintances laugh; someone explains that two of the women you’ve just met are gay, so for them, that won’t be necessary.

“Oh, that’s awesome,” you say, backtracking. For a moment you’re thrown off, perhaps because it’s hard for you to remember that there are women out there who—for any number of reasons—are not the least bit interested in sleeping with you.

But you recover. Now is your chance to demonstrate your ultra-hip literacy in queer progressivism. You bare all: you tell the crowd about how, when you were fourteen, your mom started a relationship with a woman that lasted a few years; at first, you were really pissed off at her, worried that the kids in school would find out and make fun of you, but eventually you threatened to beat up anyone who talked shit about your mom, because she’s, like, your mom, and you love her.

The listeners nod politely.

Encouraged, you veer into full-blown poetic territory: “You know, it’s just like, love is love, man. Love should be, like, the right of every single human being. Who cares about gender. And anyone who doesn’t believe that, I mean, fuck ’em, you know?”

You notice the two women—the lesbians—sitting across from you are smiling at each other behind their hands.

“What’s so funny?” you ask.

One of the women tells you it’s great to see you standing up so passionately for the queers. “Please accept a gold star for your efforts,” she says.

The woman is smiling, but you are not smiling.

“Hey,” you say, “I get that you’re joking, but isn’t that a little catty of you?”

She smiles again, and shrugs. “So I’m catty. It’s funny to hear straight people explain my own cause to me.”

You grab onto your fourth gin and tonic, to anchor you. “Hey, my mom dated some other lady. I just told you all about it. How much closer can you possibly get to the cause than that?”

Your new conversational adversary across the table isn’t smiling anymore. “Oh, I don’t know,” she says, “maybe actually being a queer person.”

“Listen,” you say—sloshing your drink, throwing your fist to your chest, unable to accept that this is a conversation in which you may not belong, your anger building like a tide—“Listen. I’m getting pretty pissed off. Here I am, offering my support. And, you know, there is a total other side to all of this.”

The woman laughs, joylessly. “You mean, a ‘side’ that drives queer teens to suicide, keeps a huge proportion of us in poverty, denies us marriage and adoption rights, and condemns us to hell? That sort of side? No, I had no idea. Please do tell me more.”

This woman is continuing to make jokes at your expense, and it enrages you. You were teased in high school because of your queer mom—the way you made fun of other kids who occupied marginalized spaces, before you found yourself on the outskirts of one alongside them—so, in your mind, you are The Victim. You can’t possibly imagine anyone else being victimized in different, more profound ways directly tied to their own bodies and identities. You believe you have the right to speak longest and loudest about this topic, without question or critique.

“Well,” you say, projecting your injured ego across the table and dumping it, soaked in whiskey and gin, upon this woman’s lap, “Well, I could just as easily be a part of that side if you don’t want my support. By acting this way, you’re allowing that other side to exist. People won’t stop hating gay people if this is how you treat the people who actually support you.”

By now, everyone else at the table is looking at each other, trying to figure out how to stem the bleeding from an otherwise perfectly happy and healthy Sunday night. And the woman from whom you have just threatened to revoke the right of human respect and dignity asks you: “Are you saying I’m responsible for my own oppression?”

“Yes,” you say.

“Because I sometimes make jokes that disparage straight people?” she clarifies.

“Yes,” you say.

“Got it,” she says. “Got it.”

The group at large then wrestles the conversation away from you. Debates when you’re drinking are never a good idea, we’re all friends here, and all that. You quickly calm down enough to ease yourself back into your carefully constructed persona of friendly, funny, aloof Brooklynite, secure in your beliefs and your beard.

By the time the night rolls to an end, you may forget the confrontation entirely. You can box up your sense of victimhood until the next time you have to pull it out in a socially-conscious crowd, like a party trick. But in between, there’s no real need for you to actively consider the plight of queer people, or your role in helping or hurting the cause about which you purport to care so deeply. For you, there exists a simple binary of being either For Gays or Against Gays; you believe you are owed glorified recognition for your self-ascribed membership to the former, though you can always consider swapping to the latter if a lesbian (who may or may not be the author of this essay) ever pokes fun of you at a bar. Thank goodness that if your feelings ever get too hurt, you always have that option.

Shannon is a queer feminist writer of fiction and media criticism. Raised in Connecticut, she has just moved from Paris to New York City. She'll let you know how that goes.

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oh mate. this is perfect. i was talking with a friend only last night about these exact people who claim to "support" queer people because they don't actively hate them just so they can distance themselves from the problem and avoid having to actually listen to queer people.
i love that you used a chasing amy photo.
omg

this is a great piece!!!
10 replies · active 541 weeks ago
This:

For you, there exists a simple binary of being either For Gays or Against Gays
sums up the half-assed attitude of brogressives to queer issues so well. (See also the simple binary of being For Women or Against Women, determined entirely by one's position on abortion.)
4 replies · active 541 weeks ago
I can't decide which brogressive dude's facebook to post this to there are just so many
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Haha, I was about to ask a dumb clueless question and then I went back and read the whole thin g again & I think I'm good.
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chickpeas · 541 weeks ago

You grab onto your fourth gin and tonic, to anchor you.

Why does this never work? I really feel like it should work.
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veryfinestlions · 541 weeks ago

Oh god there are so many of this guy.
Oh god reading this made me so nervous I am literally sweaty with secondhand embarassment
This piece is wonderful and I'd like to thank the comment thread for introducing me to the term "brogressive."
My favorite part about this (though the whole thing is fantastic) might be the "misandry" tag.
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Oof. It's terrible to see a few whiskeys wash away a facade of allyship. Seriously, dude? You could just as easily be a part of that "side"? It should be pretty fucking difficult. Thanks for writing, and I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. (I'd never be half as eloquent...it's hard enough to see theoretically supportive people squirm when introducing me with my girlfriend. Seriously, girlfriend, partner, whichever, it's ok. Just please stop squirming. I hate jumping in to help them out, but the alternative still feels worse to me. sigh.)
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Can I just say, Shannon, that your responses to douchebro were amazing. No l'esprit d'escalier for you. I am in awe.
Ugh I hate that I have acted in small ways like this guy (though I was 18 and a freshman in college).
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As a general rule, "One time, a thing happened to me that is superficially similar to your oppression," or "someone like you was important to me somehow for a little bit," or "for a while I had to endure some of the second-hand effects of your oppression" is almost never a good idea as a conversational gambit.

And especially not if the rest of it is something like "so therefore I have at least as much authority as you, and possibly more, on the subject of your oppression" or "so I am absolved from responsibility for my privilege or that thing I just said or did" or both.
16 replies · active 537 weeks ago
The best part of this was imagining the brogressive man as Holden McNeil. Holy shit, Chasing Amy is so much worse than I remembered it being when I was 16.

But rly though. This is perfect.
secure in your beliefs and your beard.

Laser accuracy.
I love love LOVE IT when a straight dude tries to claim that we're nothing without our allies, just so that I can bury them under a sea of ally-less LGBT activism anecdotes. The horrendous Stonewall article headlines will be used.
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I see you have met straight white men.
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literaltrousersnake · 541 weeks ago

I'm dying of terrified respect for the lady in this story, because whenever that happens to me I very calmly leave the table and go to the bathroom until it is over and I no longer need to talk about gender or sexuality in public with non-gay peers.
unable to accept that this is a conversation in which you may not belong

DING DING DING
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amy teill · 541 weeks ago

OH MY GOD. This is the first time commenting on an article here, but this was just that good.
I had a similar experience Friday night with my boyfriend's friend who tagged along with me getting a drink with a friend once my boyfriend went home.
It wasn't a Queer Ally issue though it was a faux-male-feminist thing. We were talking about situations where allys in different realms can sometimes do more harm than good and really can't see why due to limited experience. As an example of how we all do it I brought up the time that he proudly declared himself a male feminist and then proceeded to refer to the girl he was seeing at the time as "one night stand girl" and didn't see how that was offensive. HE FLIPPED THE EFF OUT. I know it wasn't tactful and wasn't nice to hear, but my usual group of friends are open to having honest discussions. I forgot this wasn't my friend but my boyfriend's. In defense of how feminist he is he began to yell at me and call me crazy and tower over me and swat my hands away while I tried to apologize. My friend stepped in to try and diffuse the situation because she was afraid he would escalate it - which of course he viewed as validation of his point of view which egged him on more. I remember at one point while he was yelling at me for "randomly bringing this up so late after the fact" - I asked "did I not say anything at the time?" (knowing that I had and that we had a long conversation about it) and he said "No you didn't say a word and now you're acting all crazy and bitchy!". I left knowing that this was not a conversation that had any hope of continuing. The next morning both sober he sent me a message about "How I was mean and hurtful for no reason and even your friend agreed with me. You should feel awful about yourself, I've always been nice to you. However I accept your apology". Great male feminist right there. As much as I wanted to respond with LOL NOPE, I just said 'ok that's nice, maybe you should just hang out with BF next time'.
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straight mansplainers of the Queer Situation Today have ruined many a party. the best is when you are like "please just don't keep talking about this" and they are like "no but listen stop erasing me I have more stuff to say about what the Queer Situation Today is like"
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I've reached a sweet little spot of Nirvana where I realize that as a White Male I probably don't have the right perspective on anything. It's quite liberating to just abdicate. Someone else can go have all the opinions.
What an amazing article. I've definitely seen this happen (although not in Brooklyn). Also:

"You were teased in high school because of your queer mom—the way you made fun of other kids who occupied marginalized spaces, before you found yourself on the outskirts of one alongside them—so, in your mind, you are The Victim. You can’t possibly imagine anyone else being victimized in different, more profound ways directly tied to their own bodies and identities. "

I think you just described GamerGate.

ETA Except of course, sub in "because of your queer mom" for whatever it is #GooberGroat folks were teased for.
That is the worst, most Brooklyn hipsterbro toast I've ever heard. My skin is crawling just imagining some dude spitting those words through his beard and thinking he sounds real fuckin cool.
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I get all the multiple ways that this guy is horrible but I'm wondering what I should do -- as a straight lady -- if I was at a table at a bar with some friends and with some new people and was informed by a joint acquaintance (without any solicitation on my part) that two of his/her friends were queer. Is it better to not acknowledge the fact at all and to proceed with the conversation or change the conversation (since I'm guessing the reason it was brought up because of some assumption of heteronormativity in the conversation). To nod or maybe to say -- umhum -- and then proceed with the conversation or change the conversation? Or to discuss the update in some way. I am not being facetious here -- just trying to sincerely figure out how to best to proceed in that hypothetical situation. And I'm sure it's 100% obvious to many of you what would be best, but I honestly don't know and I'd like to not offend anyone inadvertently.
10 replies · active 539 weeks ago
My mom told me a few weeks back that she can't be trans-phobic because she's "got a trans friend".

In my mom's defence, she's not super trans-phobic, and she's working on it, but it's a brave new world and a bit overwhelming sometimes.
I guess gay women WITH penises don't exist at all, I'm glad the cis gay "correction" of bro's joke cleared that one up. Sigh.
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I llooooovvvveeee this. Isn't it interesting how the absolute most important thing to these assholes is not the work they're doing, it's not how queer people actually feel, it's not fighting horrific systematic oppression, no. The very most important thing is that other people recognise how open and awesome and ~edgy they are, and if they don't get that praise, god help me, I will go and join the violent bigots, I swear it!
Kill it with fire
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ughjustwhy · 541 weeks ago

ughhhhh I had this same interaction, except about feminism instead of the gays, with a very close male friend I've known since high school, down to the part where he told me that maybe the reason women/poc/gays etc are still oppressed is because we use the word "privilege" which makes non-oppressed people feel guilty and we should find a different way of saying it, like "I don't have some advantages that you have", because that puts the onus on us rather than them and they would be more receptive to that. I want to send this article to him soooo badddd ugghhhh
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Yes.

Although the situation is slightly less funny when the dude is your own brother. Sigh.
Enlightened brogressive to the gay guy-" totally not into dudes, but you would be my type if I was! "
No, not ever, not even with asbestos gloves.
He was doing fine until he couldn't take being gently teased. Men. No sense of humor.
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She smiles again, and shrugs. “So I’m catty. It’s funny to hear straight people explain my own cause to me.”

He stopped a moment, taken aback. "Oh shit, I just did that thing, didn't I? I am so sorry. Sometimes I just like hearing myself talk. I'll stop now. Grab anyone another drink while I'm up?"

And they all lived happily ever after.

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