How About Quit Telling Me How Long To Nap For -The Toast

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Pretty sick of hearing from science exactly how long a nap should be. Are you coming over to nudge me out of this bed at exactly 4:47 before I cascade into a REM whirlpool, my friends? Because if not kindly do not come crowding around at me with this “twenty minute” business, as that is no good to me at all.

Look at this graph. I see this graph everywhere. I don’t know where it came from, I found it on “secrets of the fed dot com,” which I think is probably not its original source:

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I’m sick three-quarters-and-a-half-to-death of these nap studies telling me how long I can sleep in the afternoon for. “Only sleep for six minutes after a half a cup of coffee between 2:22 and 2:38 for optimal nap results, any longer could result in Bad Vibes,” well guess what, science, the only nap results I am looking for is BEING ASLEEP, I am curled up on my mom’s most cat-hair-beribboned couch because it is SOFT and my brain is HURTING FROM CONSCIOUSNESS, not because I’m looking for Increased Memoralling Productiviting In The Workspace, my chums. I’ve never napped for shorter than two hours a day in my life, and I refuse to take a present participle of blame for that fact. “Don’t fall asleep after five, as this could decrease optimal results…” WHAT IF AFTER FIVE IS WHEN I GOT TIRED, NAP DOCTORS? WHAT IF “AFTER FIVE” IS THE SLEEPIEST I’M AT AND A NAP WOULD CURE THAT SLEEPINESS UP RIGHT QUICK?

James Maas, former chairman of the Department of Psychology at Cornell University who is widely credited with coining the term “power nap,” says people should choose between 20 and 90 minutes for a power nap, should set an alarm, only nap if they haven’t had adequate sleep (7.5 hours or more), sleep in a space heated at 65 to 68 degrees Fahrenheit, and rest laying down.

Okay, JAMES, I won’t sleep doing cartwheels in my Volcano Room or whatnot, but a lot of these circumstances are right outside of my wheelhousery of controllment, do you know what I mean? Here’s my issue, James my man:

“Oh, just lay down in a dark room, and somehow relax your entire brain and body in the middle of your average day, just do that somehow, and then once you’re calm and safe enough to actually fall asleep, just remember to only do that for thirty minutes.” I don’t know about you, Jimbles, but I don’t have a lot of control over what my body does once I go to sleep, I pretty much hand things off to the night shift and hope for the best, so I can say “okay, team, we’re just gonna do this for a thirty-hour, right?” but my team is just a bunch of rowdy kids who know they’re getting left with a substitute teacher who actually doesn’t even have the authority to tell Ms. Kane when she gets back what they’ve been up to so why are they even gonna listen to me? How long a nap is gonna get, nap-wise, is not up to me. I’m handing off the wheel once I fall a-napping, my dudes, and there’s not anything I or anyone else can do about my brain-state once it’s in the Vale of Shadows.

It takes one a while to fall asleep of a night, yes? You lie around a bit, thinking about things you’ve done or you might do, and your brain sort of circles around in your skull like a dog, checking things out before it curls up for the night, and sometimes your brain does a quick little self-scan of like hey we asleep yet team? and then you get a little extra bolt of alertness cos you have to tell your brain nah friend not just yet, gettin’ there though, check back in later, and that can sometimes add ten to fifteen minutes of the Transitioning To No More Awake Eyes process. Which is no big deal when you have a big chunk of the clock carved out for lying motionless in bed ahead of you, but when you only give yourself twenty to thirty minutes to sleep in the first place, my patriot of com, you’re setting yourself up for a nice batch of Not Ever Falling Asleep At All But Instead A Half Hour Of Lying Down At A Real Specific Temperature Wondering If I’m Asleep Yet Oh No Time’s Up.

It’s literally impossible for a human being to control or predict with any regularity how long a nap is going to last, and I refuse to brook argument on this matter, I will not be brooking any of that in future, so how about we just agree that when I’m asleep, I’m asleep, and let the chips pitch about collapsement-style where they may. Nap science, you’re always offering me directives and warnings but you’re not giving me solutions, so unless you’re coming over to my house with a nap belt that’s going to stop time while I’m de-conked, I highly suggest you go back to finding me a diet soda that’s not going to kill me, because my blood’s got too much of that bad kind of sugar in it already.

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It's really, really difficult for me to nap. Or fall asleep. Or fall back asleep after waking up at 3am because I was hot and had to adjust my blankets and now I'm cold and SCREW YOU EVERYTHING JUST LET ME SLEEP OH GOD WHY

It must be really awesome to be able to fall asleep within moments of laying down. If you're one of those people, I hate you. A lot. Sorry.
28 replies · active 522 weeks ago
One of my good friends studies sleep (not napping, a different stage of sleep), and she went to a new eye doctor recently. He asked her what she did and when she told him, he then spent an hour mansplaining sleep to her. The sleep researcher.

tl;dr don't discuss anything with men, even sleep.
11 replies · active 522 weeks ago
THIS IS EXACTLY MY PROBLEM WITH NAPS. I mean, I do sometimes feel like lying down in a dark room for twenty minutes is still helpful when I'm really tired, but this whole power nap business is just so much nonsense.
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I can only nap accidentally (cars are the best, if a car ride is over 15 minutes and I'm not driving I will probably be fighting sleep). If I ever lay down and try to take a nap on purpose I will just lie there like a damn fool. I got in a lot of trouble for this in preschool.
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I fall asleep like a champ when it's time do be doing other things, like working. Sometimes I spend all day fighting it. But at night when it is actual bedtime, I stay awake like a champ. [sad trombone]
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I am complete shit at napping and always have been. The only time I ever nap is when I'm so exhausted I can barely move, so I'll get home from work and figure I'll just need an hour or two... and then I wake up five hours later and it's the middle of the night.
Related: does anyone know the proper etiquette for sleeping in your car over your lunch break? Should I put up a do not disturb sign in the rear windshield? Cover my face? What if someone knocks on the window, is that fair game to punch them?
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Ellen Fremedon · 522 weeks ago

Who are these people who can sleep without working at it for an hour, and is it legal to kill them?

I did not sleep at all for the first week after I was born, and I permanently lost the ability to nap at four months old. This is probably why I am an only child.
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I try not to take naps unless I'm already feeling terrible, because I don't think I've ever woken up from a nap without feeling like I'm trying to catch a 5 am flight. The only thing I can do is try to reboot my day - brush my teeth, take a shower, drink coffee, etc. like it's actually early in the morning. This usually fails and I just slug around until actual bedtime.
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The time I need naps most is in the dead of winter, but unfortunately, the dead of winter is when the sun goes away mid-afternoon (a.k.a. naptime) and if I fall asleep when the sun is up and wake up when it's dark, I get all sorts of disoriented and queasy. You curl up in a nice, late-afternoon sunbeam and next thing you know it's freezing and pitch-black and you want to puke.

So yeah... I don't nap...
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wheelofthyme · 522 weeks ago

There's definitely a continuum of naps, though. The very best nap, in my opinion, is the Everyone Else In The Family Is At Work or School So I'll Just Go Into Work A Little Late nap. Followed by the I Drank All The Booze Last Night So I'm Just Going To Take Ibuprofen And Pepto And Remove My Bra And Lie Down nap. The worst nap is the Sitting Up At Your Desk But Facing Away From the Door So No One Can Tell nap.
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I once fell asleep against the speaker-box in a nightclub...lulled by the bass reverb.
If I set an alarm when going for a nap, I promise you I would not be able to sleep and would lie there furious until the alarm went off.
My friends laugh at me because I will "go for a nap", and then appear online at 4am sheepishly apologizing for having over-napped.
My body does not grok "nap", but it doesn't worry me because sleep is probably my greatest luxury.
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I don't sleep, I dream.
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Yeah I agree, I want an alarm that can somehow figure out when I'm asleep, and then wake me up exactly [x] number of minutes from that point.
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"If you can feel what I'm feelin' then it's a musical masterpiece"

Reading this really stressed me out.

Well done.

Also, there's a storm coming in. If I was at home, I'd.....actually I probably wouldn't sleep. I'd get the urge to cook. Dark days are made for pots, both crock and stock.
this is exactly what has always confused me about these recommendations

when sleep comes it is because it has decided it is my master there's nothing consensual about it and whenever I try to initiate sleep has a headache

maybe I need to get an XBox and have the Kinect monitor me for REMs to start a timer automatically
Salient point.

Also some of us just need to nap for two hours and then sleep five hours at night, okay? Everyone's bodies are different. Go to something more important, Science.
Setting an alarm for a nap makes me instantly anxious that I won't be able to fall asleep in the allotted time, thus making sleep impossible.
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My best success at timing naps is via the JON method: the jerk-off nap. Somehow, the sweet golden sleep that comes after a solo daytime special lasts between 35-40 glorious minutes every time, no matter my level of tiredness, and returns me to consciousness on a cloud of marshmallow happiness unlike any other waking of my experience. Can highly recommend.
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I miss naps. I miss them so much. For the last few years, any time I try to sleep that is not when I "have a big chunk of the clock carved out for lying motionless in bed," I end up having weird night terrors and waking up screaming or crying. It's a terrible curse, and probably something I should get checked out. But mostly, I just want to nap.

Also, I had a weird dorm-mate in college who would take 11-minute naps in the middle of the evening. We'd all be hanging out, and he'd go, "Sorry, guys. 11-minute nap time! Gotta go!" and he'd just cross the hall, climb up into his lofted bed, and drop dead asleep for 11 minutes. Door open, lights on, people making all kinds of ruckus, and he would just fall asleep. What a (lucky) prick.
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I once watched my dad fall asleep while leaning against a wall, standing up. We were at my school for an event, and he just leaned and dozed off, his head occasionally nodding ever so slightly. He never fell down. He didn't even snore, which I didn't think was possible. I am still in awe of that feat, approximately 25 years later.
4 replies · active 522 weeks ago
this is the most important thing you've ever written
I can't do the 20 minute power nap. I'm an insomniac, so I need some lead time to convince my body to sleep. When I was in my mid-20s, a doctor sent me to a sleep clinic because she decided I had sleep apnea rather than insomnia. It was in an old, spooky hospital. The room was too hot and the light was weird, even with the lights off and the noises were weird and I didn't sleep. At all. And that's what the clinic told me. "The study didn't work because you didn't sleep." And that was that.
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A large portion of my ability/inability to fall asleep is controlled by a cat.
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I can't nap either, although maybe I can now due to my newest life changing discovery... I couldn't fall asleep at night very either, and then my therapist got me amber wraparound glasses, they fit over my regular glasses and if I read for around 45 minutes before bed wearing them with no overhead light, I'm out in 15 minutes.
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I call all sleeping naps. There's the daily nap and the nighttime nap. Nighttime nap is usually longer than daytime nap. And it's at nighttime. That's the only distinction. I do try to time daytime nap so that I wake up when it's still light out but if I need to sleep for 4+ hours then whatevs, clearly I needed it.
In my first Graduate program we would often nap under our desks in the cubicle farm, and our fellow students would contribute sweaters etc to the nest pile. We'd leave notes on the desk above us as to when we'd like to be roused, such as "don't let me miss the 4 pm meeting thanks" or "do let me miss the meeting and tell them I'm sick."
My current grad program has a sofa in the study lounge that is in high demand for the napping. But I really liked sleeping in a nest of sweaters under my desk.
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SCENE: AFTER THE REVOLUTION COMES

MINISTER IN CHARGE OF SHOOTING PEOPLE INTO THE SUN IN A ROCKET: Sir, please confirm or deny that you are the person who coined the term "power nap."

JAMES MAAS, FORMER CORNELL UNIVERSITY PSYCHOLOGY DEPARTMENT CHAIRMAN: (LONG, SHIFTY-EYED SILENCE)
Best nap strategy - have lunch. Watch 1 episode of something. Get in the bed. Fall asleep. Wake up however many hours later it takes for your partner to decide it is time to wake you up for dinner.
When I go to take a nap, I get SUPER stressed about setting an alarm on my phone due to studies like these. Ok, 20 minutes is ideal? GREAT!

But what time to do I set my alarm for? I CAN'T KNOW UNLESS I KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE ME TO FALL ASLEEP. Ok, I assume it'll take me 15 minutes to really get into the sleep zone, so I'll set my alarm for 35 minutes from now. BUT WAIT. What if I fall asleep sooner than expected and then I cross the barrier into the not ideal nap zone????
Naps are a strange and vaguely frightening mystery to me. The only times I can nap is if I'm utterly, completely exhausted for some reason--even then it takes me at least half an hour to fall asleep, and I will wake up anywhere from three to five hours later feeling like I've been chugging vodka in a washing machine, unsure of my own name or where I'm from.

Sleep is for nighttime, when everything is quite and dark and I'm ensconced in a perfectly wrapped blanket burrito and I know I have a solid eight hours before I'm expected to be conscious.
Last week I lay down at around 4 pm to take a "nap" thinking I was just going to wake up naturally at 6 or 7ish, cook some dinner, watch some TV until bedtime, do normal bedtime stuff like change and brush my teeth, and then go back to sleep.

I actually woke up when my emergency backup alarm went off at 8:30 the next morning - completely disoriented, starving hungry, urgently needing to use the bathroom, dehydrated, fuzzy-mouthed, and wearing wrinkled clothes. And not enough time to fix all of those things before having to get to work.

This is not the first time this has happened to me. Naps don't work for me and I am sad about it.
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"...before I cascade into a REM whirlpool..."

When I do that, I see Michael Stipe and those other guys rocking out.
Lie down. LIE down. Not lay! It's intransitive! If he doesn't know his verb forms, how can we trust him to know his naps? Lie, lay, lain and lay, laid, laid. IT'S NOT NEUROSCIENCE.
Yesterday, for the first time in literally ages, I did not have my regular shots of espresso in the afternoon. I fell asleep at a regular time, like a normal person, within a short period of going to bed. It was AMAZING
i'm narcoleptic. i do not "sleep at night" or "take naps" so much as "strop trying to stay awake for however long i can get away with it". being awake is fucking *exhausting*.

i am totally useless on road trips but i'm a delight to fly with. just wake me up when we get there.

my partner is a very finicky sleeper and it blows his mind that i sleep anywhere anytime, often seemingly against my own will. my sleeping habits also mean that a simple 10-15 minute nap is a full sleep cycle for me: fall asleep, snore, drool, dream, wake up and go about my day. he's amazed every time.

anyway, so... i guess i'm the super napper the non sleepers hate. sorrynotsorry zzZZzzzzzZZzzzzz....
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speakingofcake · 522 weeks ago

I really like this, not just for the promotion of sweet, unstructured napping, but for the challenge to the Efficiency Model of human existence. I know a lot of people find the whole 'life hacks' approach useful, but for me it's depressing how much it's focused on being a Functional Member of Society who Does Their Job and Never Complains and Is Always Proactive (But Not Too Proactive). It's like everything you do, from food to sleep to exercise to even your mental attitude to things, has to be be geared towards this maximising-efficiency model. Yeah, unhelpful habits can be bad for you, but the lifehack approach can feel so humourless and prescriptive. Sometimes we just gotta be our frustrated, food-that-tastes-good-eating, irregular-time-napping selves.
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I do not understand the power nap. It takes me at least 15 minutes to fall asleep, so I should be budgeting a full half hour most of which i'll just spend awake and annoyed? No thanks.

Just got back from a training and have a headache. I have now been convinced that even though it's 'too late in the day' to curl up and unpowernap.
brb finding someone to invent aforementioned Nap Belt
Just popping in to say I use the "Power Nap" app on my iphone which are the same people that make Sleep Cycle. It monitors your body movement and wakes you up before you enter REM. I've used it quite a bit and I've found mostly I can avoid that terrible sensation of waking up like a corpse
I don't have much to add re: naps, but I did want to say that the style of this piece reminds me SO MUCH of Michael Pemulis from Infinite Jest (AKA the best character in the book), and Mallory, if you ever have the urge to write a Pemulis-POV piece, there would be a very enthusiastic audience for that in the form of me.
In unexpected solidarity, I arrived at my destination and napped for a luxurious while. Driving makes me sleep SO hard...
I came home, read this while nodding my head in agreement, then got halfway through the comments before I needed to go take a nap.
I went home from work early with angry guts....and went to sleep. (I didn't feel like starting a pot of black beans at that point, but the rain had passed anyway and the cozy overcast was gone) (a storm smacked down a big-ass tree a few hours later though) (Anyway I hope everyone got or gets some rest)
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Glenlakeforager · 522 weeks ago

In defense of the nap alarm. While few things beat an open ended nap window, when napping under time constraints, an alarm allows me to fall asleep more easily as I am not worrying about failing to wake up in time for whatever. I set the alarm for how much time I can allot the nap process and don't worry about the actual sleep time. 5 minutes of true sleep beats 50 of half-sleep.
It actually boggles me that Science hasn't thought of the problem of 'when to set the alarm for considering it takes us wildly different amounts of time to fall asleep'.

I mean, I'm sure science has and the real problem is neat little infographic-style nap-shamers, but still. It really should be mentioned somewhere down there.

I do not remember ever napping, I am of the above school of toasties that wakes up at any time other than 'going to work' time completely disoriented and dopey. But I can almost never stay awake in front of the tv at night, which makes me mad on a deep, visceral level because I spent a large portion of my teen years getting furious at my mother for doing the exact same thing. Like, just watching the news or The Bill or whatever, turn around to say something to her and bam, she's napping. Why did this make me so mad? Why do I do it now? And most importantly, why don't I just go to bed when it happens instead of sitting there, pretending I didn't fall asleep, pretending I won't just fall asleep again in another two minutes?

Riddle me that, science.
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HelenDamnation · 522 weeks ago

When I nap, it is because I literally cannot be awake for one second longer, and also it always gives me a migraine, but there's nothing I can do about that, because sleep.
I am one of the blessed Easy Sleepers, capable of falling and staying asleep through all manner of noise and jostling. My brother has an entire photo album of me napping in public places while we backpacked through much of Europe one summer.

The highlight was an overnight ferry trip when we basically had to sleep in an empty ballroom with around 75 others. He said they all bonded over their mutual hatred for me (slumbering blissfully flat on my back while fully clothed) and an elderly Frenchman who snored like a freight train and possessed a body odor that confirmed every cliche Americans have about the French hygienic practices. Apparently we were the only two on board who got any shut eye and my brother recalled saying "That's my little sister. I know, I hate her too," multiple times.

If it's any consolation, I talk in my sleep nearly every night and sleepwalk a few times every year. I Paranormal Activity'd my dad when I was 15- he woke up to find me standing next to the bed *staring* at him. Grounds for justifiable homicide in any court.
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catnapper · 522 weeks ago

Naps are my best sleep. The best and most irresistible naps combine late afternoon sun, a cuddly animal or two, snuggly blanket, sofa, and a novel that slips through my fingers as sleep overpowers me.
Yep, Mallory, my patriot of com. YEP.
This is big-time marvellous. I don't get to nap, tragically, but most of this applies just as nicely to Nighttime Sleep, especially the part about how long it takes to fall asleep and how your brain checks in on the status of that. Hit the dang nail right on the head there, Mallory!

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