Femslash Friday: Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn -The Toast

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“Stop in the name of the law!”
“Not tonight, baby.”

-Poison Ivy, “Harley and Ivy”

I’m going to try very hard to make sure this doesn’t just turn into a bullet-point list of reasons you should watch (or rewatch) Batman: The Animated Series, so I will confine my remarks about the series as a whole to this opening paragraph: it was the greatest animated series in the entire 1990s, a decade bursting and tumefying with great animated series (see also: Gargoyles). It was a little violent and a little stylized (a lot of the background scenes were painted on black paper; the producers called the design Dark Deco) and awash in brilliantly-rendered, nuanced characterization for villains and heroes and even bystanders. It resurrected Mark Hamill’s career, and I will still (loudly, without being asked) explain why his version of the Joker was so much better than Heath Ledger’s with very little prompting at dinner parties. It was cinematic without being pretentious, grounded in rich mythology, witty, tragic, complicated; it payed homage to previous incarnations of Batman while developing its own unique interpretation of major characters. And it had one of the best depictions of female friendship I’ve ever seen. Imagine a cartoon series with a male protagonist that has most of the plot of Thelma & Louise carefully threaded throughout an 85-episode arc, and you’ve landed on the reason that hearing this music still gives me chills.

If you’re not familiar with the series, you probably know Poison Ivy as Uma Thurman from 1997’s Batman & Robin. Expunge your mind of Uma Thurman. Save her for later, when we revisit Kill Bill and pair her up with either Lucy Liu or Darryl Hannah (I haven’t decided which yet). And you may not have heard of Harley Quinn at all (worse luck you). Let me introduce you to them.

I see you are already on my side. Splendid. The Poison Ivy of Batman: TAS is all 1990s feminism — sexy leotards and punching men and Doing It By Herself, while Harley is just…delightfully unhinged.

A bit of background, for those of you who don’t know Harley like I know Harley: she’s a former psychiatrist at Arkham Asylum driven mad by the Joker’s machinations who adopts the unhinged persona of a clown and tags along after him — sometimes his girlfriend, sometimes his second banana, sometimes a lackey he kicks around. Their relationship is (unsurprisingly, given that they are both psychotic clowns) horrible. The Joker (“Mr. J” and “Puddin'” to Harley) regularly hits and insults her, and tries to have her killed on more than one occasion. But Harley keeps coming back; she once forgive him for throwing her out of a high-rise window because he sent her a flower and a get-well card in the hospital. Surely our girl can do better.

harleyivy5Enter Ivy. This, by the way, is an actual screenshot from the actual show; during the episode Harley and Ivy, Harley stays over at Ivy’s house and gets “lessons in good old-fashioned female self-esteem” in one of Ivy’s many attempts to get Harley to ditch Mr. J. The two of them just lounge around Ivy’s beautifully-appointed apartment in men’s shirts and no pants, making dinner together, the way that heterosexual friends do.

Then they become best friends and go on a crime spree together. The newspapers take to calling them “The New Queens of Crime,” which doesn’t please the Joker at all.

Do you remember that scene from 30 Rock where Tracy explains to Pete that there are only two kinds of women?

“Pete, there are two types of women in this world. One who gives you strength, and one who takes strength from you, like Delilah took strength from Samson in that movie.” Mr. J takes Harley’s strength. Poison Ivy gives her strength — literally. She injects her with a toxin antidote that renders her immune to poison — even the Joker’s laughing gas — and increases her physical stamina, an ability that stays with Harley for the rest of the series and saves her life on more than one occasion (particularly the fall from the window in “Mad Love” in The New Batman Adventures).

harleyivy6They’re great together. I mean, for a pair of women who steal anything that isn’t nailed down and poison innocent townspeople in their spare time. By the end of the episode, after breaking into and ransacking the men’s-only Peregrinators Club, Harley and Ivy are finally caught (by, deliciously, a female police officer shortly after Poison Ivy exclaims “No man can stop us!”), but that’s not the end of their relationship by a long shot. It’s one of the only examples of genuine friendship between two villains I can think of in the entire show, and one of the best and most complicated depictions of genuine friendship between two women I can think of in the entire Batman continuity.

Harley’s flakiness and inability to concentrate on anything for longer than 30 seconds drive the capable, determined Poison Ivy crazy (not to mention Harley’s inability to say “No” to the Joker). She calls Harley a doormat (“Your middle name would be ‘Welcome’…”I’m an eco-terrorist of global proportion. I make a contribution), which, while true, is probably not the kindest thing to say to someone whose boyfriend semi-regularly tries to kill her. But it’s their genuine affection for one another, despite their enormous differences, and their willingness to patch up after an argument, that makes their relationship so unique. (Poison Ivy’s husky, suggestive voice doesn’t hurt either. You know the kind of voice I mean, too: Lesbian Voice. I can’t describe it other than to say that some lesbians have it. Not all lesbians have Lesbian Voice, but all women who have Lesbian Voice are lesbians, probably. It’s a Beebo Brinker voice.)

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Also the way they manage to balance whimsy and evil: see “Holiday Knights,” where Ivy manages to hypnotize Bruce Wayne into taking her and Harley on a high-end shopping spree. They don’t even kill anyone! They just buy a shit-ton of diamonds and try on hats together.

It’s debatable, how much the writers of the show wanted viewers to infer a romantic relationship between Ivy and Harley. Sometimes they’re shown taking vacations together and sleeping in the same bed, although there’s always a degree of plausible deniability in the guise of “being good friends.” But it’s there, if you want to see it. Their friendship continues into other series and other adaptations. It just keeps on going.

And they never get caught, not for long, anyway. In their first appearance together, they escape the police by hopping into Ivy’s car and driving off into the night. “I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship,” Ivy says (and how many female friendships, on TV or elsewhere, have ever been compared to Rick and Louis from Casablanca?). Harley gets Ivy’s name wrong at first (“Poison Oaky?”), but it’s a matter of minutes before they move way past being on a first-name basis: for the rest of the series, Ivy is always “Red” to her.

You remember the last minutes of Thelma & Louise — they’re holding hands tightly in the car together, not sure whether to give up, and then Geena Davis says, “Let’s not get caught. Let’s keep going.” Harley and Ivy keep going, too.

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IT WAS AS CANON AS THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE FOR A 1990S TELEVISION SHOW FOR CHILDREN AND I WILL GO TO MY GRAVE ASSERTING THAT.

(i don't have tiiiiiiiiiiiiime to rewatch the entire serieeeeeees)
2 replies · active 590 weeks ago
I'm pretty sure it's canon, as it's HEAVILY implied that they share a bedroom. With 1 bed.
Since your name is Lyzz, I'm assuming you are a woman and well, have you never shared a bed with your best-friend? Because I did. (Not that I think Harls x Ivy isn't canon. But tbh I don't care, since I'll sail this ship forever and ever)
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bustedsneakers · 591 weeks ago

My ongoing reaction to these is my heart lifting as I (mentally howl) OH NOOOOOOOOOOO (YES! YAAAAAA THIS HAPPENED YEAH THE TOAST) followed by someone other than me posting it to my Facebook wall two or three weeks later.
1 reply · active 591 weeks ago
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bustedsneakers · 591 weeks ago

Harley/Ivy are my favourite Thelma and Louise and I STILL remembered that episode years later, SO GOOD.

Also I may/not remind you: someone made this happen.
Are you taking nominations for F/F?

4 replies · active 591 weeks ago
I'm gonna stick with people who have appeared in shows/movies together, but that is a great image.
Your method makes sense and I respect it.

Regardless, I'm glad F/F gave me a place to throw this image up because I feel like I've been waiting for it my whole life. See also an imaginary 'shop of Lily Munster and Morticia Addams taking selfies together.
I really REALLY need that image on a tee shirt. One of the best compliments I have ever received IN MY ENTIRE LIFE was "You look like a Disney evil queen." I mean...wow. Wow. I'm *still* feeling good about that one and it was years ago.
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Tony Pius · 591 weeks ago

"I really REALLY need that image on a tee shirt."

Merry Christmas, Manka: http://www.redbubble.com/people/swanstardesigns/w...
This show is the BEST and I also feel their love is basically canon. SKINTIGHT VILLAIN SUITS FOR ALL!!!
I love this. All of this basically went over my head, as I was an oblivious 90's child, but oh yes.
MEN'S SHIRTS AND NO PANTS. Even better when no men are involved.
Batman: TAS totally killed it on the female-representation front. Barbara? Awesome. Selina? Perfect. These two crazy Sapphic lovebirds? A delight. AND Officer Renee 'oh hi I'm super-awesome' Montoya
2 replies · active 591 weeks ago
And Talia Al Ghul and her Indiana Jones outfit!
OH no, how could I forget her? She was great!

(STILL MAD AT CHRISTOPHER NOLAN FOR HIS CHARACTER RUIN-AGE, BTW.)
Ooh, I love villains! A thing that I also love: villains/antiheroes who have complex relationships with heroic protagonists. Any chance this series might cover Regina Mills and Emma Swan from OUAT? You know, the evil queen and white knight who co-parent a son while staring intensely at each other and whose magic only strengthens when they touch? (NOT EVEN SUBTEXT THAT'S THE SHOW)

P.S. Can a more educated person than I confirm that Lana Parilla has Lesbian Voice this is v. important
i thought this was for imagined pairings not canon pairings
Hmm looks like I'm going to have to have a talk with my friend Laura about her voice, before she moves away with her boyfriend. And I love her voice! Hmmmm
As a young boy, while watching B:TAS, I always found myself rooting for Poison Ivy against Batman in her episodes. I didn't want her to *kill* Batman, but part of me wanted to see her schemes to come to fruition (pun intended). Part of me wanted to see her defeat Batman, the police, and society, and establish her botanical-matriarchal utopia.

What I'm saying is that I think Poison Ivy prepared me for The Toast.
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RykerRiot · 591 weeks ago

The best part about TAS was that it gave us Harley. Literally. Her character was created for the episode Mad Love, and she was so universally loved DC retconned her into the comics universe. She's the first (and I think only?) character to have been so created. God damn that show was amazing.
2 replies · active 591 weeks ago
Mad Love was actually the final episode of the Batman animated series. Harley's first appearance was in Joker's Favor, in which she was intended to be a walk-on role, but she worked so well they brought her back as a recurring character.
Wasn't the Scarface puppet made for the show too?
Poison Ivy and Harley is pretty much Canon in a lot of the comics, and I love it.
The only actual comic book I ever owned was a one-shot special about Poison Ivy, and I read it over and over again. In retrospect, I had a huge crush on her, between that and the animated show and even Uma Thurman's awful Batman & Robin performance. (I haven't re-watched that movie since I was a kid, but I remember there being something tremendously fascinating about killing people by kissing them.)

Anyway, THIS IS SO GOOD AND SO TRUE, and I love it.
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peppermint · 591 weeks ago

This series is my favorite thing of all things. It gets better every time!
Those 2 are about as close to an OTP as I get. Like, it never even occurred to me that they weren't together when I watched Batman: TAS.
.Not all lesbians have Lesbian Voice, but all women who have Lesbian Voice are lesbians, probably.

Troian Bellisario's got to come out eventually...right?
Oh my god this is the absolute most wonderful ever and then in Gotham City Sirens Harley and Ivy are roommates with Catwoman which could have been the worst ever story but was indeed the utter most amazing absolute sweet bestest. http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Gotham_City_Sirens
This pairing is *literally* the best. Harley/Ivy all the way!
I have never seen this show before, but you converted me in a matter of seconds. I like to imagine baby lesbians (though they maybe didn't know it yet) who started shipping them even if they didn't realize that's what they were doing.
I loved that show soo hard.
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themnemosyne · 591 weeks ago

Paul Dini, writer for the show, DID confirm the romantic relationship between Harley and Ivy as canon, though they were never explicitly allowed to show it in the cartoon.

(insert The More You Know star)
Guys guys guys it's on Amazon Prime, which (at least for me) was offering a second Prime free trial for Christmas. Yessssss (goodbye weekend).
I loved this show! And I was definitely a big fan of the Harley-Ivy friendship. I didn't realize it at the time, but that shopping spree clip you posted is pure misandry/what MRAs think will actually happen when feminists finally take over the world.
I love this page.
Oh man. I haven't watched an animated Bat-person show since I was in my teens but still it was very clear to me before I even knew what femslash was that there was *something* about that Harley Quinn. I'm glad the show's writers kept it up and gave her a life.
REMEMBER HOW IN THE COMICS HARLEY IS POISONED AND AT FIRST THEY THINK IT'S FROM IVY BUT LITERALLY EVERYONE IN GOTHAM (EVEN GRUNT-LEVEL BEAT COPS) KNOWS HARLEY IS IMMUNE BECAUSE OF HER CONSTANT """"""""""""""""CLOSENESS"""""""""""""""""""""" TO IVY

also god i wanted to have Lesbian Voice as a little girl. i wanted it so bad.
Psst. Since this article was posted, it's been 100% overtly confirmed in the comics, so...yay!

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