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mad max2Mallory and Shrill are friends who make each other see terrible movies. Also, there are some spoilers, and also someday you will die.

Mallory: I AM SO STRESSED OUT RIGHT NOW
my arms are still vibrating from the stress of this movie
Shrill:  hello
Mallory: WELCOME TO THE STEAMPUNK FUTURE, SHRILL
THERE’S NO WATER BUT DON’T WORRY WE GLUED SKULLS ON EVERYTHING SO THERE IS THAT
so I guess let us discuss the water husbandry practices of our scarcity-plagued future economy
Shrill:   yeah that’s one thing I love about this movie is the fundamental inconsistency between, like,
the movie’s bedrock worldbuilding
and what people actually do
Mallory:  go on
Shrill:  this is a world in which oil is extremely scarce but people spend most of the time crashing really extravagant vehicles
and water is incredibly hard to find but they distribute it to the people via artificial waterfall
Mallory:  YES
Look, I am willing to suspend a GREAT DEAL of disbelief for a movie to look super cool
because honestly too great a commitment to realism would have meant that a third of Mad Max would be about heat stroke and the respiratory problems induced by constant dust storms
the fight sequences would be tender and raw and slow and wee because everyone would be so exhausted by dehydration
Shrill:  yes and it’s so in your face that you have to believe it
Mallory:  oh, I believed it
BUT
EVIL WARLORD GUY: if you are trying to control a populace through careful distribution of precious resources
then you ORGANIZE THE CITIZENRY INTO EASILY IDENTIFIABLE GROUPS who come get a carefully allotted amount of water at a specific time every day
you don’t just TURN ON A SKULL FAUCET and wait twenty seconds
Shrill:  it basically would have been a movie about the Fremen
Mallory:  most of that water was absorbed right back into the rock!
that was INEFFICACIOUS
Shrill:  but it’s super effective if you’re more concerned with being ostentatious and flamboyant and putting on a display of your power
Mallory:  this dude’s evil society was SUPER INEFFICIENT
which I think was my main problem
there was an ENORMOUS warrior caste
where are they getting the protein to bulk all these dudes up?
Shrill:  here’s the thing, Mallory: who cares
Mallory:  No, but I HAVE to care, not because I’m pedantic, but because they introduced the problem of food resources when they showed the most muscular character DRINKING HUMAN BREASTMILK FOR SUSTENANCE
that is such a poor use of resources!
you’d be better off just feeding him the calories directly, instead of feeding a bunch of women in that weird lactation chamber, and then feeding the subsequent breastmilk to him, there is a REASON women only nurse children for the first few months or years of their lives; you can’t nurse a platoon of grown men indefinitely! Even Rose of Sharon only nursed that one dying guy for like a MINUTE in Grapes of Wrath!
And then they sometimes use breast milk as an engine coolant! JUST PISS ON IT INSTEAD
Shrill:  sure, but what’s the point of being a dictator/religious figurehead if you can’t have a few luxuries
Mallory: I GUESS

 

Mallory: In that vein, why was Charlize Theron allowed to drive the war rig and not be one of the wives?
as far as I could see this society had about eight women
also
if it were me
(and I think it’s fairly telling that I’m imagining myself as the evil dictator and not a member of the Resistance in this scenario)
I would not keep all my harem in the same room
where they could COLLUDE and ESCAPE together
I would have a beehive type situation
and keep each one in a separate chamber
so they could not conspire against me
that was his big mistake
Shrill:  well, that’s because you see them as humans capable of collusion
Mallory:  this is why i’d be an especially dangerous dictator
Shrill:  and not very valuable breeding cows
Mallory:  cows that can TALK, shrill
that’s what women are
Shrill:  well
Mallory:  like, cut off one hand and one foot each, you know?
problem solved
that way, they’re still perfectly healthy but they can’t get far without you
Shrill:  oh my god
Mallory:  I’M JUST SAYING
IF YOUR GOAL WAS TO KEEP THEM ON YOUR PROPERTY
FOR THE PURPOSE OF EVIL, YOU SHOULD REALLY COMMIT TO GOING FULL EVIL IF TOTAL CONTROL IS YOUR PLAN
I am not going to cut off any part of Tom Hardy’s body
Shrill:  I think maybe he did not want to mar their beauty
Mallory:  they DID get all the fancy white fabric
I appreciated that
Shrill:  swaddling clothes and chastity belts
the new wave in post-apocalyptic fashion
Mallory:  I do love how in the steampunk future the attitude is basically THROW WATER AND GASOLINE OUT THE WINDOW AND JUST SOLDER SKULLS ONTO EVERYTHING
they HAND-WELDED SKULLS ONTO THOSE CHASTITY BELTS
Shrill:  yeah one thing I loved about it is how extravagant everything was
Mallory: this society had a real eye for pageantry!
a highly developed cosmology!
Shrill:  frankly, I’m tired of the sort of dour, very serious post-apocalyptic movie that’s so popular
Mallory:  I DO KNOW
I am thinking specifically of The Road
and I choose to believe this is an AU of Charlize Theron’s character in that movie
who abandoned Sad Viggo Mortensen to go run a biker gang in Australia
Shrill:  I’d totally forgotten that she plays The Woman in The Road until you mentioned it
Mallory:  yes!
and you know
THE Road
who is to say THE Road wasn’t FURY ROAD??
makes u think

 

Mallory:  they implied, I feel like, all the Warboys had like…nuclear mutations?
or big tumors etc because of “the future”
and maybe that’s why they kept spraying their mouths with silver paint?
it looked cool, i guess
Shrill:  no, they only sprayed their mouth when they were about to die
it was like consecrating themselves to death
symbolizing chrome
Mallory:  but what about the tumors that Nick Hoult had
that he named
Shrill:  dunno about that
Mallory:  all right
I feel like the implication was the Warboys were all mostly dying already
and that’s why they were so gung ho about Valhalla and whatnot
Shrill:  yeah, they talked about them “reaching the end of their half life” too
I loved that they didn’t bother filling in those details, though
Mallory:  no, not at all
I do love in movies like this
Shrill:  fill it in in your head, we have explosions to do
Mallory:  how IMMEDIATELY after the world ends
everyone is just like, RIGHT, step one, let’s develop an INCREDIBLY DETAILED COSMOLOGY
there are new gestures for praying
new words for everything: The Salt, the Warboys, people named Cheedo
elaborate death rituals
that have NO CONNECTION to our current society
just like, CENTURIES of cultural development are presumably sped up by the nuclear fallout
Shrill:  well that’s the thing that’s cool if you’ve seen the first Mad Max movies
Mallory:  I have not!
this was my first Mad Max
Shrill:  this is the best one IMO but
the first one is just a bit askew
second one gets a bit stranger
Mallory:  ok so each version the world gets more far afield from how we know it?
Shrill:  yeah
I mean in the first one there are still recognizable institutions
courts, police, etc
they’re just not in complete control, it’s like a Wild West kinda thing
Mallory:  then this world has weird crow people on sticks
Shrill:  yeah
Mallory:  ugh, I just have so many QUESTIONS, like how did the fertile valley of Charlize Theron’s youth become a mud puddle in just 20 years??
that is some FAST desertification!
not angry questions, just that I would happily read a script bible about this movie that’s 300 pages long
also, if she was kidnapped from that valley as a girl, why was she taking them back to a place she knew FIRSTHAND was not safe?
Shrill:  better than nothing
and the environment is obviously very off-kilter
Mallory:  true
it was a BOLD MOVE, I think
at what could have easily been the end of the movie
for Tom Hardy to stop and say
“hey, hey. wait a second”
“what if we just…go do the whole movie again, but BACKWARDS”
“how would that strike you”
Shrill:  yes
“I’m pretty sure there’s nothing that direction…but in THIS direction there are more crashing cars”
Mallory:  that was a good choice
also, having Angharad the Splendid die certainly WOKE ONE UP
Shrill: gauntlet throwing move!
Mallory:  I cannot think of another movie that has killed off a pregnant woman!
uhh, maybe that French one
that was about one woman trying to cut open a pregnant woman to steal her baby
Shrill:  what
Mallory:  INSIDE
yeah it was a French horror movie
but that was specifically about murdering pregnant women
so
it’s rare that I’m like, “good on this movie for murdering a pregnant lady”
but it worked, I thought
also they killed a lot of people
Shrill:  also the child died, which was surprising
usually when they kill off a pregnant woman it’s in childbirth
Mallory:  totally!
and this time they were just like, nope, this is the darkest timeline, whole family line ended
Shrill:  yeah, and it was an interesting callback to Max’s own dead wife/kid
Mallory:  who, I don’t know what happened to them
I assume they
died
of the future
Shrill:  yeah they got run down by a gang

 

Mallory:  I think i am going to give this movie a half-demerit
for its tired use of “here is a little person, to demonstrate how weird and corrupt our society is”
but only half because even though he’s the only remaining member of the evil ruling class at the end
the water peasants do not all throw him off a cliff like you are totally set up to think they are going to do
Shrill:  yeah, I almost wonder whether that was one thing they considered doing, or even filmed, and then decided to scrap it
Mallory:  it was totally set up that way!
because they zoom in on him
and he has that “oh shit” look on his face
Shrill:  and everyone looks at him
Mallory:  and then they just…don’t
which was nice
Shrill:  that’s the only time the movie exercised any sort of restraint, and I’m glad
like, the reason why all the bizarre unexplained details work in a movie like this is because the movie doesn’t really rely on them
as opposed to something like
(ahem)
Jupiter Ascending, in which all the details are explained and treated as important
Mallory:  YES
Jupiter Ascending was STUFFED with dumb uninteresting details
Shrill:  which were absolutely crucial to understanding the plot
Mallory: but this movie could almost have been silent
and I mean that in a good way! this movie was excellent and I would see it again if my constitution could stand it
Shrill:  yeah, the visual storytelling was very strong
nobody had to like explain what was happening in the action scenes because you could follow them
Mallory:  for a movie with roughly eight seconds of downtime
it’s pretty rad that I did not flag
the action sequences were NON-STOP and NON-GREEN-SCREENED
which I appreciated
Shrill:  yeah, the physicality of the practical effects as compared to something like
idk
the Jurassic World trailer
Mallory:  YES
WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT
Shrill:  like, part of the reason Mad Max was so thrilling is because it felt very concrete and physical and real
you feel peril, you feel fear
Mallory:  you might get SMASHED UP BY A CAR WITH SPIKES ON IT
Shrill:  at no point during the Jurassic World trailer did I even feel a twinge of theoretical fear
Mallory:  not disappear into a green screen
Shrill:  EXACTLY
Mallory:  God, I love that all the towns nearby had perfectly literal names
BULLET TOWN
going to get some bullets from BULLET TOWN
stop by GOGGLE VILLAGE later for my vintage DUST STORM GOGGLES
Shrill: I’m sure there was some CGI stuff, like when the people were being carried away by the dust storm
but it was believable because it was anchored in a physical world we already believed in
Mallory:  yes!
has there ever been, by the way
a post apocalyptic movie
with a legend of a green or a safe place
where the safe place turned out to be real?
because I feel like it’s only ever mentioned
so we can see the main character have a big mental breakdown when they realize THEY ARE THE SAFE SPACE
and there will be NO REST FOR THEM
Shrill: The Great Valley from The Land Before Time
and that’s all I can think of, really

 

Mallory: god, for a world that was supposedly rationing gasoline
they treated that stuff like it was PISS
Shrill:  DID NOT CARE
Mallory:  blowing up dirt bikes and shooting flames out of a guitar
Shrill:  THEY HAD A GUITAR THAT SPAT FIRE
yes
Mallory:  that guitar guy LIVED TO SHRED
was it a weapon? was it a vehicle? SHUT UP
Shrill:  that dude was really passionate about doom metal
Mallory:  he was only fighting Mad Max to get his guitar back
once he had the axe he didn’t care if Max blew up the whole car
Shrill:  I felt like it was a futuristic version of the drummer boy from back in the day
Mallory:  JUST LET ME ROCK OUT
there were drummers behind him!
which, again,
Shrill:  he started playing IMMEDIATELY after he got his guitar back
Mallory:  do you really have so many warriors and resources that you need an entire band corps??
there is an entire war rig dedicated to carrying around THEIR BAND
that’s so much gas!
Shrill:  I’m pretty sure that enormous Burning Man drum corps/guitar amp thing was the largest vehicle there
it was like a story tall
Mallory:  like, I could understand having ONE MUSICIAN maybe, tagging along on a vehicle that’s already carrying warriors
or like
a CD!
I don’t know
Shrill:  I bet that guy is really passionate about his craft too
Mallory:  it proper owned, though
like this movie was straight COOL as SHIT
fake gold noses and guys going blind and a bunch of shotguns
Shrill:  the guy with the bullet teeth
Mallory:  and everyone’s names were SINISTER AS HELLFIRE
Shrill:  the biker gang of grandmothers
who were all deadeye shots
Mallory:  YES
and who had just been living among sand dunes for 20 years waiting for a leader
Shrill:  some of them apparently did their own stunts???
Mallory:  IF we were going to do a feminist reading of Mad Max
WHICH WE ARE NOT
we could talk about how the caravan of wives was clearly meant to represent feminism’s third wave going back to acknowledge and honor the second wave feminist elders they left behind
but also to move ahead without them
clearly that was the filmmaker’s intention
(the crow people were Phyllis Schlafly)
(the green place of mothers was the failed ratification of the ERA, and the death of Angharad was the time my dad did the dishes without anyone asking)
Shrill:  we could talk about them passing along the seeds for the future
again
IF we were going to do that
which we aren’t
Mallory: let’s talk instead about how everyone dressed like they were in a Die Antwoord music video
Shrill:  Die Antwoord X the video game twisted metal
Mallory:  amazing
can I say one last thing to you
Shrill:  yeah
Mallory:  I just still think it’s really WEIRD that you knew stabbing someone in the side was a cure for a collapsed lung
Shrill:  lol
Mallory:  and apparently considered it to be common knowledge
I just think it’s weird
that’s all
Shrill:  I am laughing but with an air of mystery
Mallory:  I JUST THINK IT’S WEIRD
MOST PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THAT, I DIDN’T KNOW THAT

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How much would Tom Hardy charge to be mounted on the front of my Mazda Protege?
2 replies · active 516 weeks ago
YESSSS!!!

I just love that Mad Max was basically just a hood ornament for 20 minutes of this movie. And that it just didn't let up.

But yeah, the boy was very peeved at the waste of oil and water. Especially the water at the end. "Oh, great. Celebrate you're in charge now by showing you're JUST AS WASTEFUL."
4 replies · active 517 weeks ago
+1 for the Land Before Time reference.
3 replies · active 517 weeks ago
Oh godddddd. I need to see this I need to see this I need to see this. It will be even better than that time in middle school when I saw Thunderdome on tv. Collapsed on the couch, hopped up on meds, in the middle of a fever, flipping blindly through channels, and then there was Tina.
Ah, just a stray observation, I reckon that the War Boys huffed paint for the intoxication (dying sucks), as well as a death ritual (becoming all chrome-y like the holy engine etc). Love your movie yelling as usual. :B
1 reply · active 517 weeks ago
This movie has only solidified my determination to marry Charlize Theron.
I laughed with joy every single time the guitar player came onscreen.
4 replies · active 516 weeks ago
The mythical land of peace and plenty is real in Waterworld too. Can anyone else think of any others?
5 replies · active 504 weeks ago
Also, I thought the extreme wastefulness (the cars, the band, the water) was a comment on the 1% situation we've got going on. Like, a world with deeply limited resources, but if you are in control of ALL of it, you can "afford" to waste it on displays of wealth and power (while everyone else is dying of thirst).
3 replies · active 517 weeks ago
The War Boy who ultimately switched sides reminded me a lot of Voldemort from A Very Potter Musical, and I had a hard time taking him seriously because of that. Not that I think I was really supposed to take him seriously. But I never even learned his name. I just keep thinking of him as Voldemort
3 replies · active 474 weeks ago
I don't think I've ever seen a movie before where I was so transfixed. I'm not sure my body moved a millimeter the entire time. It was just so intense.

Also, randomly at breakfast this morning, I thought about Nux's final "Witness me," and, two days after seeing the movie, I teared up a bit. Is that a thing normal people do? Cause I have my worries.
6 replies · active 460 weeks ago
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A. Galley · 517 weeks ago

Yeah, you know how sometimes you'll watch a dumb movie and every time something dumb happens, you'll be "what? WHAT?! Whaaaat. WHAT."

This was like that, but the WHATS were pure, uncut joy. the bad guy lives on human milk WHAT? He has a huge truck to carry his personal guitarist around WHAT??!

I cannot wait to see this movie again.
4 replies · active 516 weeks ago
I am so excited to see this movie and also I stand with Mallory in not knowing how to treat someone with a collapsed lung.
4 replies · active 474 weeks ago
I will read 1,000 feminist interpretations of Mad Max.1,000!
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advancecasette · 517 weeks ago

yes

the second time I saw the movie my mom leaned over and said "yeah that's what ya'd do" during that scene

anyway my only complaint about the movie is the overwhelming whiteness, at least show us that the imperialist capitalist warlord is racist to explain why there are almost no nonwhite people in his empire, not everyone knows to assume that automatically somehow despite recorded history
8 replies · active 516 weeks ago
I like how I didn't know what movie this was for a while. I liked how Mallory just casually name dropped it in the middle of the first exchange.

But also: I like how Jupiter Ascending was all exposition and It Still Didn't Make Any Sense. Oh, I do love that movie.
Yes, also, how exactly is it that Tom Hardy's blood had been draining out of his body for what appeared to be many hours, and he was still able to have a rip-roaring fight once he was able to free himself from hood-ornament status? Without so much as a sip of water or an iron supplement?
2 replies · active 517 weeks ago
Okay I'm really sorry but I've gotta get some explanations going.

Immortan Joe's waterfall of... water: most of his water goes to his intensive hydroponic crop system that in turn feeds his half-lifes, who are the dudes who do his stuff. He pumps the water out of the ground, has a substantial talc mining operation, plus some serious mechanical operations, all that takes a lot of cancer-ridden mind slaves to manage. So the water waterfall of ostentatiousness is just to keep the totally mutated and weirdo people who congregate outside of the Citadel happy-ish. They're not really part of the society.

Also the breastmilk isn't for nutrition? So Immortan Joe's softheaded son tastes it, but they're not really drinking it - it's what they trade to the People Eater, the guy who runs Gas Town, the refinery down the road. He's a cannibal and in the freaky fetish way, so drinking breastmilk is something he gets off on in a major way. That's why the War Rig is a tanker full of the stuff.

Furiosa gets to drive the War Rig because she's not perfect. Immortan Joe will only take perfect wives because he is fixated on having healthy children. In a world full of mutants (half-lives), unmutated people (full-lives, Furiosa, Mad Max, etc.) are highly valued. So far Immortan Joe's children have all been flawed - his soft-headed son, the dwarf - and that's why he's trying so desperately to breed with his harem of perfect sexy gauze-wrapped lady ladies.

Also his two sons were a pretty cool throwback to MasterBlaster in Thunderdome!

Likewise the people all followed Immortan Joe because he presented himself as an immortal full-life, even though he most definitely was not and had some serious radiation sickness, so when his body was shown dead everyone who had bought into his mythology was like OH SHIT YOU ARE A LYING DEAD GOD GOD IS DEAD LET'S LET THESE HOT HEALTHY LADIES BE IN CHARGE NOW.

Also yeah stabbing someone in the side is totally great for pneumothorax if you stab them in exactly the right part and you have a hot virile O- Tom Hardy to hook up to them. Tom Hardy blood is the cure for all ills, if those ills are lymphoma or exsanguination.
29 replies · active 474 weeks ago
It seems like somebody should/will (has? anyone have a good link?) do a feminist analysis on the movie. It's clearly made for it (even if Eve Ensler was only brought in as an acting consultant to the wives, Miller and the other writers brought their own feminist ideas to the script).

I don't have a lot of the background reading to name names right now but, despite being a little boy's big truck action movie, Fury Road feels like something a 1970's Ecofeminist wrote. Men killed the world and enslaved women, the emphasis on fluids - water and gas, but especially bodily fluids like milk and blood. I imagine feminist critical theorists would find Max's use as a blood bag very significant. I'd love to see somebody elaborate on that line of thinking.
7 replies · active 516 weeks ago
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advancecasette · 517 weeks ago

I mean the enemy in the movie is a guy dressing up like a big muscle monster and using the wealth he's hoarded to manipulate and force toxic masculinity on everyone, the movie makes it clear they could just live off of what they had there, instead they center their society around brainwashing boys into raiding murderers who use the already scarce resources to try and take more from whoever else is alive

somethign something imperialist capitalism
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advancecasette · 517 weeks ago

also I'm glad the movie wasn't the boring nerd pandering nostalgia fest it could have been under a different team like gross mra fake geek boys wanted.

max kills endless dudes with his Epic Car you remember from before and the shotgun you remember from before, no one cares about boring explosions on screen, roll credits
1 reply · active 516 weeks ago
Re: the little person - he's actor and disability advocate Quentin Kenihan (possibly also a comedian? Maybe just really funny in interviews) who has been on current affair shows and comedy panels a bunch. So for an Australian viewer, it was less "a little person" and more "oh man, Quentin Kenihan's in this! Awesome!!"

Or in my case, because I'm bad at names, "oh man! That guy! From the shows! Awesome!!"

A lot of the other actors (e.g. The People-Eater, the Doof Warrior, The Bullet Judge guy) were played by iconic Australians who you'd never expect to see in roles like that, so I feel like casting QK was just a part of that general "oh my god, it's that guy!" thing. I don't think he was meant to be any weirder than the rest of them were.
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melissa juice · 517 weeks ago

But you suspended disbelief enough for SNOWPIERCER!
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I thought there was enough subtext there to suggest that Furiosa maybe WAS a wife? Like briefly, and then she lost her arm or was barren and otherwise imperfect and not worthy of being a vessel for that dude's babies.

I also thought the War Boys tumours were just regular skin cancer, cuz you know, I'm sure the ozone is shot to shit.
3 replies · active 516 weeks ago
I feel like the thorax stabbing thing has been in a ton of movies. Three Kings for sure, and I know one or two more recent ones. I thought it was pretty common knowledge too.
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I'm so torn. I'm sure this too violent for me. I have no tolerance for movie violence (I can handle Matrix type stylized fighting but that's about it). I saw the first Mad Max back in the day and it was too violent for me.

But. But. But. I really *want* to be able to watch a feminist post apocalyptic blockbuster. Even though I know I'd be hiding my eyes the whole time.
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OH AND who on earth is birthing these legions of warboys? Given that, as Mallory correctly noted, there are like 8 fertile women in the Citadel.

This movie left me with SO MANY QUESTIONS.
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Anyone else feel like this was super German Expressionist?
Yes, someone also agrees that this could have almost been a silent movie and lost nothing!

The thing I'm kind of quibbling with is: why waste resources feeding half-life warboys that are too sick to fight half the time and maintaining them with full-life blood transfusions when you can just have those healthy full-lives fight for you instead? Are half-life people easier to brain-wash into your cult because they're going to die young anyway?

Also, how do people here in the comments know all this about The People Eater and breast milk? Was this part of the earlier movies? Is there supplementary reading that has to be done to fully understand this one?
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what, you write about earlier MadMax movies and fail to mention TINA TURNER???
I love this movie and reading reviews of this movie but goddamn, it's NOT. STEAMPUNK. We have the word "dieselpunk" for a reason.
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I am SO interested in Furiosa's backstory, since she appeared to be the only non-breeding woman in Immortan Joe's employ. How did she stay alive? How did she become an Imperator? Did she plan to escape alone or did she always plan to take the wives with her?

I think my favorite moment was when the rig was stuck and Capable was just like, "Hey look, I tamed a Warboy. He can drive now, right?" And everyone is just like, "...yeah. Sure." His reveal could have been a whole dramatic to-do, but they were so fucked at that point that letting a guy who'd spent the first half of the movie trying to to kill them drive the War Rig seemed like a decent idea.
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It is mostly violent in terms of cars smashing into each other and eye-popping HOW DID ANYONE LIVE THROUGH THAT stunts. There isn't all that much actual person-on-person combat or even all that much blood. And stuff blows up real good, too.

ETA: Reply system, why won't you put my comment as a reply to Cleo like I meant it to be?
Just saw it last night.

I've been laughing for straight on about five solid minutes at, "that dude was really passionate about doom metal."

Also, one wording quibble. That guitar EJACULATED flame. Spit just isn't good enough.
The funny thing about our current oil economy is that we use petroleum for fuel not because it is rare, but because it is so abundant. It only gets expensive because there are so many people in the world and we all use petroleum. Also, due to labor and extraction costs, drilling in some places only makes sense once prices hit a certain level. But say you cut a few billion people out of the population, demand will plummet yet fuels supplies will remain the same. There would be way more fuel per person, especially given that most folks won't drive around for daily commutes, there's no more commercial vehicles or airplanes, etc.
Even if you cut out the worldwide drilling and refining infrastructure, there's currently enough fuel in storage around the world to keep the economy humming for a bit in the case of interrupted supplies. And even after that, maybe it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that humanity could have established some small-scale infrastructure even in the post-apocalyptic Mad Max. Shell got its start in the 19th century setting up drilling and refining operations in the middle of the Sumatran jungle, which was pretty darn deadly for Europeans.
I have guesses on some of these!

The wastefulness - I got the impression this was like "See these fucking men? This is how we wound up in a fucking wasteland, they aren't even TRYING to sustain life." And then the rest on the road was just, hey, we trying to survive here.

The harem - There were actually a lot of women in the crowd of people at the base of the cliff! Seems Joe just picks out the prettiest ones and uses them in his harem. As to how Charlize never became one of them, I think someone has a good explanation above.

Turning back - I read a Wired interview with the director where he said he has two more stories to tell all ready to go if this one does well. Five bucks says Max's next two adventures involve finding some kind of promised land. Which is why we couldn't find it NOW, because then we wouldn't have anywhere to go in the next two movies.
I think what you're missing here with the Doof Wagon is that, in a society built almost ENTIRELY on the very idea of toxic masculinity, of COURSE they would piss away life-changing amounts of precious gasoline just to have some dude with a flame-throwing electric guitar and his band of totally sick backup drummers in the war party, dude.
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I can't find any sources to back up my theory, of course, but did anybody else read the mouth-spraying as a nod to the ancient warriors who would spray foam on their mouths to look rabid in battle? Vikings maybe...? I swear I read this once somewhere. And of course it makes sense that in the post-apocalyptic speed-freak future the foam would be replaced by chrome spraypaint.
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Herve Villechaize · 517 weeks ago

Imperator Furiosa is the post-apocalyptic Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
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SenseofHumerus · 517 weeks ago

Can someone explain to me the convo where Max asks Furiousa if she's done this before and she says Yes but her next line about finally driving a war rig and maybe never having the chance to do this again makes it seem like, in fact, no she has never liberated a harem before?
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hannyanny · 517 weeks ago

Just as a general comment, I have been waiting with bated breath for there to be a Toast Conversation about Mad Max and now it is here! I knew you wouldn't fail me and it is everything I had hoped
Can we also talk about how perfect the part was when Max was trying to shoot and then he just straight up unquestioningly handed the gun over to Furiosa without her even asking AND THEN served as a human armrest while she casually blew away the bullet guy?? And the fact that there were a bunch of 70-year old women who got to be total motorcycle badasses and do their own stunts? And like, as someone else said, how this was a non-stop thrill ride action movie with 70's ecofeminist ideals at its heart as well as absolutely RIDICULOUS world-building and details like a dude with a flame-guitar on a giant bungee cord who is named the Doof Warrior? (and like, also the phenomenon of Tom Hardy's super beautiful lips is a thing, too, but that's secondary). Sorry I am so excited! This movie is like everything my nerdy little heart needs to survive
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"has there ever been, by the way, a post apocalyptic movie, with a legend of a green or a safe place, where the safe place turned out to be real?"

Waterworld!! And it's great because while in most of these I feel like they really want the viewer to believe in this place, Waterworld makes it seem like there's no chance the land is real. What a good movie.
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toastguest · 517 weeks ago

Zoe Kravitz's character is named TOAST THE KNOWING, y'all.
The 1986 classic post-apocalyptic movie Solarbabies, starring Jamie Gertz, Jason Patrick, and Lukas Haas, had an actual oasis. And they were all on roller skates the entire time. TOP THAT.

And also......Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome has an actual oasis too.
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When I saw this movie with Boyfriend, MD, he punched me in the arm, he was so jazzed when they punctured Charlize's side. It's how you can tell that George Miller was a doctor before he made the first movie.
FIRST OFF

THE GUITAR MAN IS "THE DOOF WARRIOR" AND HIS SOUNDCLASH RIG IS "THE DOOFWAGON" PLEASE RESPECT OTHER CULTURES

SECOND OFF
THE LITTLE DUDE IS CLEARLY GOING TO BE THE NEW DOOF
NEW EGALITARIAN UTOPIAS STILL NEED POWER CHORDS PLAYED AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY
as for post-apoc fiction in which the oasis is real… lord forgive them for how quickly they forget Waterworld
My favorite two theories:

1. Max isn't the original character; it's been so long since the events of the first movie (where there's still intact cities and a police force) that Mad Max is a sort of outback legend and Tom Hardy's character assumes the identity after he's been alone so long he's forgotten his own name.

2. This isn't after the apocalypse; this is what happens when you run out of gas in the outback, today.
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I don't know what to say other than this is brilliant and hilarious. Thanks!
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This post and comments are just the gifts that keep on giving. Thank you lord Toast.

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