Disney To Rip Out Star Wars EU Continuity “Like A Tumor” -The Toast

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star warsThere is a fervent — yet, to my mind, deeply misguided — young man at Ars Technica who has written an op-ed rejoicing at the news that Disney will be axing the majority of the Star Wars EU continuity titled, accurately enough, “Op-ed: Disney takes a chainsaw to the Star Wars expanded universe: And good riddance, because almost all of it is crap.”

I could not let this stand.

Star Wars is sacred to geeks. Characters in Kevin Smith movies refer to it as “the Holy Trilogy,” and for almost as long as Star Wars has existed, fans have wanted to know more about the universe outside of the movies—and the canonicity of all the elements of that universe is the subject of almost ecclesiastical-scale debates. The movies are unquestionably official—they are the foundational elements of Star Wars, even Episodes I-III. However, the combined mass of video games, board games, tie-in novels, cartoons, and anything else branded with a Star Wars logo occupies a lesser tier in the hierarchy: all these things are still “official” in that they carry the logo, but they are merely part of the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

The Expanded Universe—the “EU”—sprawls like a bloated dead thing with tentacles stretching in all directions. Everything is in there: Timothy Zahn’s Thrawn series (which introduced the eponymous Admiral Thrawn, as well as fan favorite Mara Jade, the former Emperor’s Hand-turned-smuggler who overcame her hatred of Luke Skywalker and became his wife). Clone Wars and The Old Republic. The Yuuzhan Vong and the death of Chewbacca. Kevin J. Anderson and all the unspeakably, unreadably bad literary atrocities for which he’s responsible.

Listen, I may have my own well-documented quibbles with the Jedi Academy series, but Kevin J. Anderson was the editor for Tales From Jabba’s Palace. Show the man some goddamn respect.

A sci-fi universe with as long a tail as Star Wars can be death for new stories, though. Finding space among the EU to make a mark without being hamstrung by established ideas is difficult, and even keeping the EU somewhat organized is challenging. Its growth has been cancerous—like a tumor, it has no plan and no organization—it simply expands, blindly, as the collective fan engine shovels in new material.

And like a tumor, Disney is going to rip it out.

Sir, I may hate what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Word began trickling out over Twitter last week that Disney will be drastically redefining the state of the Star Wars lore, eliminating the bifurcated mainline/EU arrangement and in its place constructing a single official canon. All things that are part of the canon are “real,” as far as Star Wars is concerned; all things not in the canon are “not real.” This eliminates the quasi-real EU tier—going forward, things will either exist officially, or not at all.

Lucasfilm employee Leland Chee, who currently maintains the internal Lucasfilm database that tracks the different elements of the canon, will be one of the folks making this decision. He tweeted that “Star Wars Canon is now determined by the Lucasfilm Story Group,” which he and fellow Lucasfilm employee Pablo Hidalgo are part of. When asked specifically whether the group’s goal was to eliminate the mainline/EU canon arrangement and its tiers of official-ness, Chee respondedwith a definitive yes. “More so than ever,” he said, “the canon field will serve us internally simply for classification rather than setting hierarchy.”

Now, no longer will there be a complex multi-level hierarchy of canonicity—there will simply be canon, and not.

YOU ADVOCATE FOR TYRANNY, SIR. 

One gives the name of tyrant to the sovereign who knows no laws but those of his caprice, who takes his subjects’ property, and who afterwards enrols them to go to take the property of his neighbours.

One distinguishes between the tyranny of one man and that of many. The tyranny of many would be that of a body which invaded the rights of other bodies, and which exercised despotism in favour of the laws corrupted by it.

Under which tyranny would you like to live? Under neither; but if I had to choose, I should detest the tyranny of one man less than that of many. A despot always has his good moments; an assembly of despots never. If a tyrant does me an injustice, I can disarm him through his mistress, his confessor or his page; but a company of grave tyrants is inaccessible to all seductions. When it is not unjust, it is at the least hard, and never does it bestow favours.

If I have only one despot, I am quit of him by drawing myself up against a wall when I see him pass, or by bowing low, or by striking the ground with my forehead, according to the custom of the country; but if there is a company of a hundred despots, I am exposed to repeating this ceremony a hundred times a day, which in the long run is very annoying if one’s hocks are not supple. If I have a farm in the neighbourhood of one of our lords, I am crushed; if I plead against a relation of the relations of one of our lords, I am ruined. What is to be done? I fear that in this world one is reduced to being either hammer or anvil; lucky the man who escapes these alternatives!

The slap-dash, anyone-can-add-to-it nature of the existing Expanded Universe and its tiers is great for detail-oriented fans who want to write a Mary Sue fanfic that includes a perfectly accurate depiction of the seven prime forms of lightsaber combat, but it’s absolute poison for Disney. The company will be releasing their next Star Wars movie in 2015, and the giant swamp of the EU stretches out before them, threatening to ensnare and swallow up any potential ideas they might try to include. They need to be able to re-launch the franchise in a direction that they control, and that requires the freedom to let Empire Strikes Back writer Lawrence Kasdan pen the script without worrying about stumbling over years’ worth of baggage. In fact, Kasdan’s unfamiliarity with the EU is a strength here—and one that Disney is capitalizing on by drastically reducing the number of things he has to worry about.

Most of the EU is simply layers and layers of garbage. It’s filled with thinly veiled Mary Sue characters, ludicrous minutiae, and a ponderous and plodding history (past AND future) of the galaxy. It’s creaky under its own weight, and Chee’s pruning is a welcome change. In him, Disney has a person who intimately understands the core elements of what makes Star WarsStar Wars.

It’s unclear at this point what in the EU will be pitched out into the trash, and what will be promoted to canon. When asked, Chee himself responded that he can’t say when fans will be able to see the results the trim’s impact on the universe’s lore. Still, it’s a safe assumption that every single bit of EU story set after The Return of the Jedi will have to go—and, for the most part, good riddance to it, because almost all of it is terrible.

Ironically, nuking all post-RotJ material would remove Timothy Zahn’s Thrawn trilogy, which Lucasfilm authorized and provided limited collaboration on. Zahn’s three books are easily the best of the often-literally-vomit-inducing tie-in novels, but they also are set shortly after the events of RotJ and deal specifically with the aftermath of the fall of the Empire. Losing them would mean losing some of the best content the EU has to offer; it would also, however, mean considerably more latitude in following up Episodes IV-VI.

Regardless of what gets kept, the chainsawing of canon is unequivocally a good thing. It’s time to dump the EU into the garbage chute and feed it to the dianoga.

In no particular order: 

1. Let us ban “Mary Sue” from our vocabularies in 2014, along with Manic Pixie Dream Girl and “problematic,” as these are phrases that have lost all meaning (unless you wish to continue saying them, in which case feel utterly free to do so; I am no advocate for tyranny, unlike some people [some people named Lee {some people named Lee who write op-eds advocating for tyranny}]).

2. Lee is probably right inasmuch as Lucasfilm was never ever going to use the Thrawn trilogy as a basis for the new movies, no matter how much we secretly hoped they would, so they might as well honestly axe all the continuities they’re never going to use.

3. No minutiae is ludicrous; how dare you.

4. Oh God, does this mean that Shadow of the Empire is still canon because it’s set pre-ROTJ? You cannot take Admiral Thrawn away from me and make me keep Prince Xizor. That is cruelty beyond the limits of human endurance.

5. “Often-literally-vomit-inducing.” Sir, I oppose you with every fiber of my being but damn it all, do I love your enthusiasm, you feisty thing.

6. “Dianoga” here seems purposefully obfuscating, for someone who claims to want to trim the fat. Just call it the trash compactor monster; if you seek to be the vox populi, come by it honestly.

Please consider this an open thread for every feeling you have ever had about the Star Wars Expanded Universe continuity. Use strong language and GIFs wherever possible. Remember that I have loved you all.

[Image from Furious Fanboys but also it’s just the cover of one of the EU books so I think it’s fine to use]

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McGravin · 586 weeks ago

If they choose to make a movie that diverges from the Thrawn storyline, I think I will be okay with that, but if they declare him to be not-canon, I fear I may have to declare Star Wars as dead to me.
Fandom's obsession with canonicity (not just Star Wars fandom) is fascinating to me. It's like watching early Christianity forming at an Information Age pace.

I'm actually impressed they were able to keep this machine going as long as they did without just giving up and opting for either some ridiculously baroque comic-book-style multiverse or the loosey-goosey Star Trek style continuity, held together by lampshades and string, which only the most insanely dedicated fans would dare try to piece together into a coherent whole.
3 replies · active 586 weeks ago
I don't really have strong opinions about the issue at hand, but this gentleman lost me completely when he implied that things characters in Kevin Smith movies do = things that real people do.
Also, clearly the best fans of all are the ones who believe? pretend? that the media is actually a documentary about a real place/series of events, and so all the "mistakes" are just due to the exigencies of TV and film production. (The second best are the ones who construct fan universes for sitcoms, Sunday comic strips, arcade machines, diaper commercials, and other media whose creators never gave a moment's thought to such things.)
4 replies · active 586 weeks ago
I never ventured too deeply into the post original trilogy EU, but inter-prequel EU was my absolute favorite thing as a middle-schooler. Looking back, those books were probably terrible but I'm too emotionally attached to let them go.

Sidenote: Heard about Leia getting Jedi training and having a yellow lightsaber in the EU and if that is nixed out somehow then I will be REALLY UPSET because I REALLY LIKE THOSE IDEAS
4 replies · active 576 weeks ago
I am not terribly passionate about Star Wars, but I am passionate, in a favorable way, about the usage of increasingly nested parentheses as a kind of syntactical joke. ([{<⟨「«»」⟩>}])
The obsession with canon in STAR WARS always seems funny to be given how A NEW HOPE was written and released before Lucas settled on Vader being Luke's father, and because of that the story from Ep. 4 to 5 doesn't make a whole lot of sense* (I mean, as everyone has said, who hides a Dark Lord's son with the Dark Lord's relatives, on the Dark Lord's home world, and lets him keep the Dark Lord's last name? "Where shall we hide Sauron Jr.? In Mordor, with a Balrog? And keep calling him Sauron Jr.? PERFECT")

It's always been make-it-up-as-you-go, as it should be. It's a big universe out there, and I'd rather have Admiral Thrawn and evil, extragalactic plant monsters than "Anakin created C3PO"

*What I'm saying is EMPIRE and JEDI are non-canon. Only A NEW HOPE is canon. Also, come to think of it, the brilliance of how you explain Obi-Wan's story about Luke's father in ANH isn't "a wizard did it" but "a wizard lied about it."
8 replies · active 577 weeks ago
During the long (long, long) Star Wars phase of my youngest (he's 14; there are still framed movie images on his walls, the Star Wars throws still cover our feet) I was first exposed to all the EU stuff.

(And yet! And yet part of his parental legacy was my own vast collection of figures, the metal lunch box, a latch-hook-yarn portrait of R2 & C3PO which has sadly since been destroyed by an unfeeling 4-legged beast I love despite that.)

And yes, some of it is... less than beautifully crafted. We never actually vomited while reading any of it, but hey, maybe we never picked up the right stuff. I don't care.

First of all, Jude Watson is a hero in our house, so whatever she writes is cannon, full stop.

But here's what bugs me: the bloody arrogance. The top-down snottiness of Lucas & his minions. The expectation that after 37 years of engaging the imaginations of millions of people, it's okay to throw a hissy fit about 'too much EU!' and ignore that the millions of people have made you millions of dollars because they clamored for more and more EU, whatever the quality of it.
But... but Thrawn is the actual best.

Also, I second the 'let us ban the term Mary Sue forever' thing. I mean if you describe Batman without saying his name, it's exactly what would get a woman with the same traits pegged as a Mary Sue. Exorbitantly wealthy, super smart, physically above what is a normal human peak of fitness, hyperattractive, with an angsty backstory... come on.
7 replies · active 586 weeks ago
The semi-managed "single EU canon" model was showing signs of strain back when I read the books (late 90s - early 2000s) -- the fringe benefit of declaring all EU storylines non-canon is that future works will get to skip the endless callbacks to other EU works: "Gosh, I can't believe it's been five years since our marriage adventure on Dathomir! And three years since the New Republic defeated Grand Admiral Thrawn, and a year since Admiral Daala, and..."
Whoops I generally hate the EU so this news is sweet sweet music to my ears.

I mean, this sounds (sort of) like going forward it'll be similar to Star Trek? Like the TV shows/movies are "Level A" canon - the novels are there if you want them and some are very enjoyable (Imzadi!!), but not a part of the canon proper.
"Problematic." *shudder* I disagree that it's lost all meaning; its meaning has shifted to "this person has nothing worthwhile to add but would like an SJ cookie anyway."
1 reply · active 586 weeks ago
I mean, Disney could make a movie that didn't follow canon, but I just can't believe they have the power to actually declare it void...
1 reply · active 571 weeks ago
I am frankly delighted that there is literally a guy whose job is to maintain a database of Star Wars continuity. I mean, I'm sure he has an official boring, neutral job title like "database administrator," and that his job is actually mostly boring stuff like coordinating between the various arms of LucasArts. But from where I'm standing, it looks like he has the nerd dream job. He is being paid to do what hundreds of fans would do for free on amateur websites!
1 reply · active 585 weeks ago
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LauraSookDuncombe · 586 weeks ago

YOU WILL NEVER TAKE GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN FROM ME, EVER!!!

For me, I was always a selected canon follower when it came to EU, as in, everything that happened before they killed Chewbacca=canon. Everything after (including the actual death)=TOTAL BS. I had to stop reading them because I was too heartbroken. Not because they were terrible, but because they hurt my fragile heart.

There was an interesting article out about who owns a fandom (re: Sherlock) and this makes me think more about that. Because once it's out there, it's real, right? So Lucasfilm/Disney et al can't invalidate it. Because Specter of the Past/Vision of the Future gave 14-year-old me HOPE that LOVE was out there for me someday, and you can't just make that disappear, right?

Also, nailed it about the dianoga. Who does this guy think he is? :)
#4 is the one that gets me the most. I read Shadows of the Empire at the tender age of 10 and definitely was not ready to be exposed to Prince Xizor. I had honest-to-Force nightmares about a sex lizard trying to get into my pants.
2 replies · active 585 weeks ago
If y'all haven't read "The Complex & Terrifying Reality of Star Wars Fandom" from 2005, you should. I'd link it but I can't find the original online anymore; it is quoted in in full in several places though, so with some googling you can find it easily. Very relevant.
This is timely, because my partner and I rewatched the prequels this weekend. Good GOD, they're so terrible. Like, not even good terrible. I know everyone knows this, but the horror is still fresh in my mind. (I'm not really a fan of the original trilogy, either, but at least Empire Strikes Back has Lando in a cape, which makes up for a lot.)

We had gone to see Revenge of the Sith on our first actual date, so there was a nostalgia factor. I still laugh hysterically at Ewan McGregor's delivery of "I saw a security hologram of him...killing younglings."
3 replies · active 586 weeks ago
Who wants to talk to me about liking Corran Horn and the X-Wing series? Guys, I loved Corran Horn and Mirax Terrik so much.
2 replies · active 586 weeks ago
Also: for pen and paper RPG players who also like Star Wars, let me recommend the "Edge of the Empire" system. It's super fun and avoids a lot of the tedious min/maxing and building the "perfect" character that seems to happen in D&D derived systems (I love you, Pathfinder, but you make me do so much damn WORK to play a game.) The adventure I ran for my friends was so much fun!
I have no idea what a Manic Pixie Dream Girl even is but I'm fully on board with banning the word "Mary Sue" for all of 2014, since I've decided that any hero ever is, to an extent, a Mary Sue, and SERIOUSLY WTF IS WRONG WITH THAT IT HAS MADE FOR SOME GREAT BOOKS.

Also, also wik, I have not read of the EU, but I'm a big fan of the original Trilogy (and still want to erase I-III from existence if it weren't for Liam Neeson with the hair and the lightsaber and the keeping a straight-face saying "midichlorians" into a silver-painted razor.)
I am so bummed that the best of the SW EU (anything by Tim Zahn and the X-Wing Novels) probably won't make it into canon.

And if Mara Jade is no longer canonical, I think she needs a proper funeral where those of us that loved her can grieve.
2 replies · active 585 weeks ago
Oh, no. Oh nononononononononono. This cannot stand. The EU has done many wrong things, but to throw it into the void? To destroy it entirely? No. That would be throwing out the good parts of my childhood and teenager-hood, and, alas, much of my college-hood. That would be jossing my own life, like for real. What? WHAT???????

I knew this Disney thing was going to be bad, I just didn't know how bad. (AM I GOING TO LOSE JAINA SOLO??????????????????????????????)
I'd much rather keep the EU and scrap movies I-III.
Here for contemplative, conflicted feelings about the Brian Wood SW comic and how much I love it and how bad I feel giving him my money and how I could be happy that it's ending because the comics rights are going to Marvel and then I could get an awesome Marvel creative team for a SW comic (sayyyy Felipe Andrade and Marjorie Liu) and I can stop giving Wood my money except he writes for Marvel too so it's not inconceivable that he'd keep writing it, which would be good because it's A GOOD COMIC BUT BAD BECAUSE REASONS

sigh.

ALSO if the rumor about Obi-Wan's descendent is true, would that not be excellent?
I cannot care for this. As soon as I heard that the new movies would not fulfill my quietly-cherished dreams by being Jude Watson Jedi Apprentice series movies, I laid my Star Wars-related hopes in their grave. I will see the new movies. But I will not summon passion for them.

(Real talk, here: Liam Neeson still looks exactly the same. Why can we not do this. Why.)
I guess I'm not overall too concerned that some stuff won't be official canon anymore, as it still all exists in my head and in my books. They can't take it away from me by making the fictional stuff that I love slightly more fictional. It doesn't work that way.

That said, Mallory, you say things I wish to say way better than i can say them, especially the bit about Thrawn and Xizor. Thrawn is a must.
One thing. Like it or not, Shadows of the Empire *is* canon. It was an official multi-media project by Lucas as an "interequal" between TESB and ROTJ. :)
We're it up to me, I think I would keep some of the more central characters (the Solo kids, Benjamin, Mara Jade) but dump their stories. Certainly everything from NJO on could be jettisoned, and quite a lot before that as well.

I see nothing wrong with the core concepts of the characters, and in fact most of these concepts fit very well with what we know of Disney's plans. It was only in their execution (in some cases, literally) that they have become problematical, so by freeing them of their EU story lines they immediately become more useful for Disney's purposes while still not antagonizing the fans who have come to enjoy them.

Keep in mind, we've already seen this sort of adaptation to some extant. The Barris Ofee of the Clone Wars TV series is slightly different from the one in the novels and comics (younger, for one thing). I can see them doing much the same with the Young Jedi bunch - keeping the bare outlines the same, but reshaping them to fit their needs.
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I wasn't really expecting any of this to be EU-compliant, so I'm not really surprised, but I am secretly kind of disappointed -- I grew up on the EU books (I had many adolescent Feelings about the Young Jedi Knights series in particular and once nearly ended a friendship over ship wars involving Jaina) and I would totally love to see them as movies.

That being said, honestly as long as they keep their sticky mitts away from Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, I'm cool. (Is this an appropriate venue to talk about Kreia? Because omg Kreia!!!)
Yeah, if Jaina Solo is gone then I am done with Star Wars forever and ever, amen. I've been reading those shitty novels for TWENTY YEARS. Damned if they're going to take them away from me.
As long as Pride & Prejudice fan fic stays canon.
How did you get through all that "Mary Sue" and vomit-inducing stuff without bringing up Aaron Allston? He killed Jacen Solo, and opened his X-Wing series with the paragraph about how all Michael Stackpole's team was a miserable failure that had to be replaced with new Allston-brand characters.
From the moment I found out that Disney bought SW I felt it was inevitable that they will bring the axe to EU. In the end of the day I don't care. Whatever happens my emotional attachment to characters like Thrawn, Mara Jade, Revan or the Solo family and their tragedies is just too strong... Sure, some of the stories from EU are crappy. There is no doubt that the Yuuzhan Vong invasion could have been written much better etc. But nothing is going to change the fact that those stories, however badly written have deepened my appreciation for the galaxy far far away. Thanks to those stories Star Wars has become a living universe for me, a universe of imagination and a myriad of possibilities I can dive into at anytime. I guess it will be painful to watch how Disney simply deletes the inconvonient EU characters and stories just so they can create and control their own "fresh" cannon. In the end of the day its all about the money right? Oh don't get me wrong I am sure the movies will be a huge cash success and will be very entertaining.
It's a bit like with the Star Trek reboot: The new movies are definitely fresh and are very enjoyable to watch but that's it. The new Star Trek is yet another big budget mega sci-fi production design to dazzle with effects and witty lines and gone is its unique and geeky philosophical dept of the past.
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Christopher Brown · 581 weeks ago

They had BETTER not touch the young adult line of novels (which includes the Jedi Apprentice, Jedi Quest, Boba Fett, Last of the Jedi, and Rebel Force books). No matter what any smug and probably hypocritical fans who sneer at "kiddie fic" say, a proper analysis will reveal much of them to be extremely well written works that add a lot of depth to the flat world of the prequels. Take those away, and there's pretty much nothing aside from the cartoons to make those films worthwhile in the greater context of the Star Wars saga (however much I enjoy Episode II).
Yay, I always liked Luke but almost killed myself when they turned him into a 'force god' wtf was that all about anyway? I disagree with most of EU, but there is a selected few that I do not wish to see removed from cannon.

Oh well $4.08 billion gives you the right to fuck up any fictional universe.

I know I will get bashed for this but: I loved Episode I-III. I grew up with it, what can I say?
All I care about is that the Pre-TPM Eu is still canon.

You're not wiping KOTOR and Dawn of the Jedi from my canon goddammit.
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Alice_Nicator · 517 weeks ago

I spent many many lonely, geeky teenage years reading EU novels and comics, and have therefore dedicated a significant amount of my gray matter to its memorization. Disney, since you are so casually expunging these events from canon, please have a heart and lobotamize all my EU memories to ease my broken heart.
If they are going to write new books, I hope they draw a lot of inspiration from the old ones. Give generations of geeks something common to discuss and relate with.
I'm pretty disappointed about this, but it occurs to me that there are dozens and dozens of Star Trek novels out there that were never officially canon the way that the Star Wars novels were, and they are still enjoyable.

Also, I'm looking forward to the fan theories on alternate universes/timelines that make everything still work.

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