HEY GRRLS
DONT LET “THE MAN” TELL YOU WHAT TO FUCKING DO WITH YOUR BODY
AND YOUR KEYBOARD
YOU WILL NEVER LIVE UP TO THE SEXIST, PATRIARCHAL STANDARD OF WHAT MAKES A “GOOD” SOURCE CODE OR AN “ACCEPTABLE” ALGORITHM
REFUSE TO LEARN TO CODE
STOP EMPOWERING YOUNG WOMEN IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND PREPARING THEM FOR FRUITFUL CAREERS IN THE TECH INDUSTRY
YOUR DEBUGGING WILL NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH
YOU ARE MORE THAN YOUR USABILITY
YOU ARE A REAL RAW PUNK ROCK FUCK TALK SOUL HEART SPACE CRUSADER
NOT A CODER
CODING IS FOR FUCKING SQUARES AND SELLOUTS AND LITTLE KISSASS PUNK BITCHES
YOU DON’T NEED TO INCREASE YOUR JOB PROSPECTS
YOU JUST NEED TO KICK ASS
DON’T SMILE
DON’T CODE
JUST ROCK
REFUSE TO LET THEM INCORPORATE YOU INTO BOY CODE STANDARDS
RESIST THE CODING ESTABLISHMENT
ASSIMILATE SOMEONE ELSE, THIS GIRL’S NOT YOUR FUCKING CODING TOY
WHY THE FUCK SHOULD YOU BECOME A FUTURE INNOVATOR JUST BECAUSE SOME MALE CORPORATION THINKS YOU SHOULD
GIRLS!
DON’T LET THEM TEACH YOU HOW TO CODE
FUCK THEIR INPUT
FUCK THEIR OUTPUT
THE ONLY PYTHON YOU NEED IS AN ACTUAL FUCKING SNAKE
GIRLS DON’T CODE
GRRRLS DON’T CODE
TELL THE MEN WHO WANT YOU TO CODE THAT THEY CAN GO DISRUPT THEMSELVES
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As someone considering starting prerequisites for a Phd in computer science this makes me SO CONFLICTED.
As someone getting their PhD in Computer Science, clearly I need to drop out!
(but you should totally do yours, come join me and we’ll tear down the establishment FROM THE INSIDE)
You could study/research theory? Be one of those computer scientists who can barely figure out how to turn on an actual computer. Just don’t think too hard about academic job prospects after making that decision.
They’re only trying to get you to code so they can assimilate you into their corporate patriarchal world anyway. They hope that you’ll get so attached you won’t want to TEAR IT DOWN any more.
(only 5/6 joking)
DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO DO TYLER DURDEN
I am Jack’s shoddy naming conventions.
I am Jack’s inadequate comments.
EXCUSE ME TYLER DURDEN IS NOT A RIOT GRRRL
My laziness is so punk rock! I knew this day would come, sooner or later.
“My laziness is so punk rock!”
And other things I shave into my leg hair.
The essence of dirtbaggery is where punk rock meets laziness. You are among your own kind here.
I learned basic HTML when I was 8 or 9 so I could build and run an online Harry Potter roleplaying site. It was called “Sarah V’s Hogwarts” and it remains in the top 5 best things I have ever done.
But it was also basic HTML, and once I got into middle school and had to face learning CSS, I abandoned ship.
Learning HTML coding simultaneously through both Neopets and my Sailor Moon website (The Sailor Moon Megaverse, and I am cringing as I write that) also helped me find some glorious soul that had made a CSS generator so if I wanted fancy underlines and hovers on my links or different scrollbar colors, I could do it by just plugging in the hex codes for the colors.
Div layers, on the other hand…
Literally the only things I know how to do are 1) create a link with text that ISN’T the link address and 2) post a photo on these threads. Oh, and create line breaks in my fanfic. And you know what? That’s enough for me, guys. That’s enough for me.
Computer Science 102: “HTML For Internet Commenting” (M W 1-2pm)
I learned my HTML (and a smidge of CSS) making Neopets fan pages, too! And that remembered HTML from when I was 10 got me my first real tech support job, and now I troubleshoot APIs for a living.
Thanks, Neopets!
We do all owe a lot to Neopets, I think.
Yes! Neopets! I learned much about HTML, gambling, and sexuality.
Agreed. I took two programming classes in college, but the only programming skills I have ever needed professionally I learned through Neopets and expage (did anyone else make an expage site as a kid? Anyone?)
Also, you are my new hero for creating a Harry Potter roleplaying site as a child. I don’t know if anything I’ve done thus far in my life has reached that level of awesome.
Neopets Internet Univeristy Alumni United
“One weekend of messing with Perl” could be replaced with “Three years of writing zafara fanfiction” in this graph and it would be true of my life:� �http://xkcd.com/519/
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I realized recently that I have been playing Neopets for nearly half of my life. I have learned SO MUCH through it. Neopets, you’re the best.
A couple years ago, my first Neopets became old enough to go to Hogwarts. I have never felt so old as I did when I realized that.
My oldest Neopet is a teenager.
I cannot wrap my head around that.
Oh my god, I just started playing again, it’s amazing. Are you still playing? Can we be neofriends and start a Toast outpost there?? (Oh, is the grand plan not to colonize the internet? Sorry.)
*Raises hand!* I learned HTML making a page for my Redwall Fan Art back when I was in middle school. Now I am a bitter particle physics postdoc with a focus in software and data analysis. I will never forgive Redwall for this.
I am late to this party but YES NEOPETS UNIVERSITY!
I literally just developed a webpage for work using coding skills I learned at age 12 to make my guild look fancy. I also learned to write by roleplaying in said guild. I do both things professionally now! THNX, THE MOHABI PACK!
Proud to say that I got my start coding with the game Horseland. Made myself a sweet homepage for my stable – there was an animation!!
I learned all my basic HTML on Final Fantasy fansite message boards.
Let us also not forget the glory that was Fish & Spruce.
REFUSE TO LET THEM INCORPORATE YOU INTO BOY CODE STANDARDS
I’m so pleased to learn that my being absolute garbage at Java in library school was riot as fuck.
XML for metadata standards, however, was my JAM. PBCore – whoo!
MODS! CDWALite! XML schemas for days!
RIOT LIBRRRNS PREFER MARKUP
“THE ONLY PYTHON YOU NEED IS AN ACTUAL FUCKING SNAKE”
lost it
this line is my new manifesto
god snakes are so cool. but they are phallic, which is uncool. SO I DON’T KNOW.
OWN IT. #retakethesnake
#REPTILEREDUX
they’re bendy though, you could just arrange it to look like a vagina
thank god. I’ve been sort of mean to Chester my Ball Python all day today because he reminds me of the patriarchy.
I’ll just rearrange his coils so he constantly sits in a more uterine position
anyone have any twist ties?
Read that as “I’ve been meaning to Chester my Ball Python all day today” and thought it was some sort of absolutely cryptic and fabulous euphemism.
Compromise: Join Nicki Minaj’s all-women “Anaconda” jungle commune.
Waaaay ahead of you.
Oh, unpopular opinion here.
In the 1960s and 1970s, women were actively recruited to be coders.
I think, though, that coding isn’t difficult, because programming languages are indeed languages, and women are better at languages and expressing themselves than men, right? So, when men started coding, suddenly coding was *hard.* I’ve been coding since 1979, and coding isn’t difficult. It does make you an outsider, though, when you’re the only woman on your team and you insist that no-big-deal, *coding*, just another way to express something and men say, well, you type really fast so that’s why you code so fast it’s not easy don’t tell me my job is easy quit saying that. Stop.
So, I went into database administration, which is about 10% coding, plus arrogance, plus knowing how everything works together, plus abstract, plus people think you’re a badass. Skip coding, be a DBA?
Coding isn’t hard, but it is very, VERY boring.
Yes, it can be. That’s why I went into database administration. I like making things run fast, so performance tuning a very large database can be incredibly adrenaline-inducing. Making a query run in about 2 seconds, when it had been running in 5 hours? I nearly fainted.
There’s also a lot of down time between database crises, so you can run your own life and do things that interest you. There’s a lot more flexibility in what you do with your day. It also pays 6 figures.
Is being a DBA hard, though? Because databases don’t look that hard to me, but I figure it could just be that I’ve never dealt with particularly complicated databases. On the other hand, I’ve worked with some people who definitely found them harder than I find them.
What do you do with databases, and what database do you work with?
I mostly work with SQLite databases that are written by one of our programs and read by another of our programs. I sometimes am the one stuffing more data into these, which generally includes planning the tables, writing the SQL, and figuring out what indices to add. My other interaction with them is complaining about the bit someone else designed with dynamically generated table names (thingtype1, thingtype2, etc), but I haven’t really pushed to fix it yet.
I also sometimes deal with the MySQL database for our internal MediaWiki installation. Mostly that has involved figuring out why things were broken after the one time that it had to be restored from backup, merging the changes that were made while it was broken with the correctly restored version after the problem was fixed, and bugging the guy in charge of backups until he changed our way of preventing the problem from re-occuring to the way I thought it should be.
I’m asking because Database Administration encompasses many different things, and my reply could get quite long.
What is hard is how much you have to know to be an effective DBA. You have to know all of the software that will be running against the database, you have to know the hardware, you have to know about networks, you have to have in-depth knowledge of the database software. You have to know how to fix corruption errors, which is probably the most stressful part of the job. You have to know about architecture. You have to know about database design, both logical and physical. You have to know about performance tuning. You have to know what is the source of a problem, which could be the software running against the database, or the hardware, or the network — because you are the first person people turn to when something goes wrong. You also have to have preserverance (sp?) and patience because there are a bunch of “tuning” or performance variables that can be tweaked, but the tweak doesn’t show up instantaneously — you have to watch the database work for months sometimes before you know if what you did was effective. (This is a stumbling block for a lot of people who going into database administration from being a programmer: programmers are used to a program working or not, immediately. Database admin is long haul). You have to know about the operating system the database is sitting on and how to deal with (usually) Unix system administrators, who can be as arrogant and unpleasant as a database administrator can be, or I should say, has to be. (Because, if the database crashes, you have to, with maniacle confidence say, “I will fix this, and it will take me an hour. Now, go away and let me work.” You say this even if you have no idea what to do, which is rare, but it happens; and you usually know everything because you spend so much time studying everything you can, as I said before, about the hardware, software, etc. I should also say, that on Wall Street, every minute a database is down, costs millions of dollars. In my company, which wasn’t Wall Street, an hour of downtime cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. We’re talking real, actual money, and real, actual stress.)
Okay, that’s some of it. Is it hard? Yes, to be a good DBA because of the sheer volume of information you have to know.
I’ve worked with a lot of DBAs who didn’t know as much as I did, and that can be difficult as well. What worked for me is that I talked to a lot of different people as much as I could. Even “old timers” from the 1960s and 1970s — who maybe didn’t know the current databases, but did know the mature hardware and software of the mainframes — can teach you a lot.
DBAs spend a lot of time telling each other war stories. It’s how we’d pass on information to each other.
In my case, as well, I worked in research and development with beta copies of database software. We were able to talk to the people who programmed the database software, so we knew how the databases were meant to work. We also dealt with every error out there. I had a unique experience, in that way: you’d never find a corporate company using beta software, and it’s database administrators wouldn’t have access to the actual programmers of the actual database software.
It’s how I knew so much, and so much in depth, about the databases I was working with. For instance, I was a consultant at a large travel agency, on my first day, and in one of the database error logs, I found a sequence of 3 error codes. I knew from my work in r&d, that these 3 errors, in that sequence, meant the database would die and not come back up again without help from technical support. We had to take the server down immediately and run some fix-it program. The DBAs didn’t believe me though, and it did sound outrageous, so they ignored me. Within 15 minutes the database went down and they couldn’t get it back up. It took 8 hours to get it running, with help from tech support. This was my first day, remember, but after that, no one questioned me if I said that the database was doomed. (LOL, but geez.)
Hmmm. That does sound like a lot of work. On the other hand, arrogance and flexibility and six figures. I shall have to mull this over.
Thank you for writing such a detailed and helpful answer!
Database administration is something you grow into, you don’t learn all of these things at once. I think I spent about 6 months just looking at indexes.
But you’re already doing backup and recovery work, which is a vital part of DBAdmin (and I forgot to mention it.) And more importantly, you care about the backup and recovery.
Also, a DBA described administration work as 98% boredom, 2% sheer terror.
Unless, of course, a flood wipes out your entire database system, as happened in Des Moines Iowa during the early 90s … then it’s just terror. They didn’t have a good backup and recovery plan. I still have an account with that bank (Wells Fargo) but I check the balance everyday and keep all my bank statements. LOL.
Totally unrelated to coding, but totally related to boys taking a thing and making it hard:
I used to manage a coffee shop that roasted its own beans and we were a happy little place with delicious coffee and friendly (lady) baristas. Then the owner hired a “wanna be cool in the coffee world” wholesale guy and we were suddenly plunged into the seedy world of barista competitions and dick measuring. I was astounded at the ability of machismo to turn a perfectly simple act of brewing coffee and pulling espresso shots into something so nauseatingly complicated and unappealing.
My grandmother, who, during the 1930s, had been trained as a French chef (like, Cordon Bleu whatever it’s called), sat through an episode of Top Chef with me. Watching all the male chefs, she turned to me and said “It’s making food. Why is this so damned difficult?” I died.
So friends. In all seriousness, I’m a nonprofit grantwriting assistant by day who is considering learning to code. I want to have a profitable skill that can give me more flexibility and earning power in my career. I really enjoy deep concentration tasks, focusing on details, and making things just-so. I excel at copyediting (and, dare I say, writing) and to me, coding is similar, just in a nonverbal language. Yet I’m a total, absolute beginner. Is this a completely idiotic thing to be considering?
No, it’s not idiotic at all! It’s actually really fun to learn a new language, and it’s going to be a plus no matter where you want to take your career. Copyediting skills will come in handy because when your code doesn’t run you have to go back and fine the one tiiiiiiny error that broke everything, which can be maddening at times. I learned to code back in the MySpace days so I could do crazy things with my page (loooooool) but if I had to start over again I’d seriously recommend Codeacademy.
Coursera has some pretty solid stuff, that’s how I started; there’s one put out by Rice where you remake games like Pong and Asteroids, and the profs in the videos have real personalities which is not always the case with online classes or, um, profs.
Here, found the link
DOOOOOO ITTTTTT. There are lots of great free online resources (codecademy comes to mind) or you can opt for programs like Hackbright (just for women) (also that’s what I did) or Dev Bootcamp (for everyone) if you want an actual like in-person thing to attend. There are also organizations like Girl Develop It and Pyladies that have chapters across the the country and often offer classes and meetups (I know I benefited a lot from having An Actual Person In Front of Me instead of the internet when I had/have questions).
You sound like you’d be an amazing hacker. DO IT!!!!!!!
One of my best friends has been trying to teach me java but I don’t quite have the attention span (it’s been a great experience though he’s a man and he NEVER mansplains when he’s teaching me, so actually I don’t really have any excuse for not trying harder with him) (also thanks to everyone who’s posting links to online resources!!!).
Yes, agreed! Codecademy looks really accessible and easy to use. I just blocked out an hour a week to work on their HTML/CSS lessons. Thank you all for being so encouraging!
Hey! I’m a little late to this, but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents, because I was in almost exactly the same place you are/seem to be now about a year ago. I was working, not really loving it, and I started getting into coding. I had a similar experience to a lot of people in the comments above – brief forays into HTML and CSS when I was a young nerd, then basically wandering away from it. I tried a few of the Codeacademy and Treehouse courses, and they were great, but I had a really hard time sticking with any of them. Then I heard about Dev Bootcamp, and it sounded awesome. I did a ton of research on it, applied, got in, and started on June 14th. In May of this year, I would have honestly struggled to tell you how to perform pretty basic actions in Ruby and I didn’t know much about any other languages; this morning, for my phase 2 assessment, I built a simple web app in about three hours using Ruby and JavaScript. It is one hundred percent not ridiculous or idiotic; you should totally try the various free/cheap web options, and also strongly consider the bootcamps.
Ok, so that was my pitch for “you can totally do this”, here’s my pitch for DBC: it’s the most amazing learning environment I have ever been in. It’s full of incredibly smart, incredibly driven people, the staff is amazing, and there’s a focus on turning out good people who are also good coders, which, in an industry still saturated with sexism, racism, and classism (all of which is stuff we talk about here, how it exists and how we can work to counter it), is incredibly important work. If you want to learn to code, there’s nowhere better to do so than DBC. One of my classmates has an amazing blog here: https://dukegreene.wordpress.com/ where he does weekly rap recaps and regular blogs about the experience at DBC. His blog is awesome, DBC is the best, and I cannot recommend it highly enough.
Thank you so much for this detailed answer! I’m really worried about the ‘brogrammer’ thing so what you had to say about Dev Bootcamp was encouraging. I would love to chat about this with you more – not sure how to get in touch but I’m on Twitter @thecaitd if you tweet!
late to the thread but another good resource is edX and their online courses. I like this sequence on Python, it’s more of an academic course, with homework assignments and lectures:
https://www.edx.org/course/mitx/mitx-6-00-1x-intr…
it makes me sad that probably no one knows what this is a riff off of
i’m gonna go paint my nails and listen to records in the basement now
Wait, no, don’t leave the rest of us hanging! What is it a riff off of?
It feels like I’m constantly being told by my library school profs to learn to code and now I have the best, tersest response to give them: GRRRLS DONT CODE. FUCK OFF TROLL.
Yes! Even if you want to go into a more tech-y branch of the field, I’ve found it’s way more useful to be a librarian who knows enough to work with programmers than to have forced myself to become an expert on my own.
Also, being able to clap my hands and have a man make a database do a thing I’ve described is as close to living the Ortberg-ian misandrist dream as I get, most days.
“The Ortbergian misandrist dream.” A+
I’m 100% with DON’T SMILE. DON’T CODE. JUST ROCK.
I mean, even if some of us want to learn to code, we can still NOT CODE if we don’t feel like it, and I’m pretty sure we can all get behind don’t smile. NEVER FUCKING SMILE. ALWAYS ROCK.
Not sure why but I feel obligated to link to Porpentine here.
I’m having trouble with not being able to +1 this enough.
EVERYONE FOLLOW THAT LINK. My favorite is Ultra Business Tycoon III, which is amazing and nostalgic and hilarious and then suddenly will come at you sideways to break you. I think if you’re a fan of that twist as deployed by Mallory, you should enjoy Porpentine. (Tends to be more labyrinthine, but that resonates with me as well.)
http://aliendovecote.com/uploads/twine/tycoon/cri…
though you will at some point need to refer to this as well to complete the game: http://aliendovecote.com/uploads/twine/tycoon/nfo…
as soon as I saw the name porpentine I LEPT into this thread to say exactly what you said about ultra business tycoon III. IT’S ALL TRUE, 100%.
also, if you don’t follow her on twitter, you really, REALLY should. I present to you the single greatest tweet that human civilization has ever or will ever produce: https://twitter.com/aliendovecote/status/39678015…
Baaaaaahhahahahahaha. *Hits like button.*
HIGH END CUSTOMIZABLE SAUNA EXPERIENCE
(but they’re all so great)
Porpentine is the best. Howling Dogs is one of the best games I’ve played in the fast few years (and yes, it is a goddamn game).
I hope we’re going to get better videogames once tools and hardware get a bit more standardized, and therefore available to more indie developers and folks who spent time consuming literature and history rather than just comp sci. I feel like most big games right now are being made by folks who fetishize programming and have never read a goddamn book.
Porpentine is why I learned to (use more current) code.
Twine forever.
I’ve had Howling Dogs and her main IF page open in my Chrome browser for a week or two, waiting for me to make time to finish them. So good.
As a person of womanly persuasion who also writes code for a living, I am feeling hella conflicted about my choices right now. FLIP.
Well I just e-mailed this article to my BOSS MAN and maybe every single woman in the IT department. Also I might be printing this off to hang it in my cube /as I type this/.
This is why I prefer doing QA-type stuff. My actual job is to break code (often written by men), and then send it to them with “not good enough”.
It’s glorious.
QA FTW
“it’s not a bug, it’s a feature”
I’m drooling a bit with jealousy
Lol you might be the only person in the world who prefers QA work…
Yesssssss.
Oh, your code? Yes, I saw it. It was wrong. I don’t care that you worked hard on it. Take it away until you can meet my standards.
yessss QA ftw
😀
I don’t get it.
I was born too late for RIOT GRRRRL, so maybe that’s why, but I don’t understand… the point of this? Why it is funny? What it is saying except ‘code is not for girls’? I know Mallory wouldn’t actually mean that, but that’s what this piece says to me.
it isn’t funny it’s very serious, girls should refuse to code and acquire giant snakes instead
i’m a very dangerous influence. thousands of women will never learn to code now because of me.
So good at perpetrating misandry it’s actually misogyny. Aaaaaaaaah!
because it reflects a specific kind of naive, privileged idealism about women/femininity that you see primarily in middle class white women in their 20s
Man. Face down on desk at the lack of historical awareness going on here.
Do you realize that women invented much of what is considered programming?
From an original riot grrrl who was their the first time around, please stop degrading my career and interest in computer science. It’s awesome and if I look, I am flanked by brilliant women at every turn in history.
Or maybe go read Recoding Gender?
If a hacker comes to hack your identity are you women enough to block it?
If google tells you how to use your phone and tracks you, are you punk enough to reprogram it?
That’s really what we are talking about here right? Control?
Because I am a women and I am telling you to learn to program because it’s important. If you don’t understand a thing, it can be used against you…. Just a thought.
if “WHY THE FUCK SHOULD YOU BECOME A FUTURE INNOVATOR JUST BECAUSE SOME MALE CORPORATION THINKS YOU SHOULD” did not tip you off that this is a joke, I am not sure what can be done for you
Not to mention the awesome “how to learn to code” careers advice going on in the comments.
BRB learnin’ brain surgery b/c if I don’t understand a thing, it can be used against me. STAY OUTTA MY SKULL, H8RS.
THANK YOU.
And yes, I get that this is meant to be a joke, but honestly? Guys aren’t the ones telling me to be future innovators, they’re telling me *not* to be. And BabyCoderMe, who was on computers before I could talk, never knew that one could be artsy and techy and felt like I had to choose one despite loving both because hey! Code is a dudebro thing! For left-brained people! Go away!
It’s not funny if you’re just repeating the same message in the guise of “subverting” it.
Literally my thesis. Maybe add in a bunch of Cisoux about how to specifically not learn to code. A+, would trouser that snake any day, etc.
shit, this would be the day my giant fug sprawly WP site gets hacked and I have to fix it.
My dad is a famous computer language designer, and every one else in my family codes, so during my teen years, this was pretty much my manifesto.
My dad is a famous software developer and the only reason I learned to code is because my mom thought programming was stupid and beneath me and my artistic talents. In retrospect this could have been a long con to break down my father’s self esteem and trick me into a lucrative career at the same time.
“YOU ARE MORE THAN YOUR USABILITY
YOU DON’T NEED TO INCREASE YOUR JOB PROSPECTS
YOU JUST NEED TO KICK ASS”
ok FINE but can we get ONE embroidery pattern for the above quote? just ONE?
Real talk, though: does codeacademy teach you things that could be useful in the real world? I want to learn to code, but I want to try it out a bit first before investing money in an actual course.
I’ve used codecademy to get like the basics of certain languages (aka for my job right out of coding bootcamp I had to work in PHP and used codecademy to get a handle on it), but I learned a lot more by doing an actual project or through things like Learn Python the Hard Way by Zed Shaw (I’m currently hanging my head in shame, though, because I don’t know how to put a link in a comment–just google it). So yes, you can probably learn from codecamy, but in my experience you have to actually do a project or build a website for what you learn to stick.
That’s fair and expected! I’m mostly intending to use it as the baby-est of first steps — my concern is mainly “is this going to teach me in a way that’s counterproductive?”
eta: Thank you for the recommendation also!
Yes and no. It teaches you how to write code, but not how to install/run it on an actual website. You’re pretty much stuck without that second part.
Kinda late to this party but I did a web-design internship (for a media comms degree, so I was mostly doing design/social media stuffs) and I did a code academy course so I could follow along the tech people actually building the sites. So yeah, seconding katmandu that it’s a good way to get a running start on an actual project. It was good tho! I expanded my skill set a lot!
While I have you here looking to fight, or not fight, the power, these women and girls need some help.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/black-girls-code-lat…
As an Android app developer, I approve this message.
FUCK THEIR INPUT
FUCK THEIR OUTPUT
Though, yesterday my company had a good discussion about what they could do to improve diversity in our Engineering department, so the dudebros here be alright I guess…
Thank you so much for this detailed answer! I'm really worried about the 'brogrammer' thing so what you had to say about Dev Bootcamp was encouraging. I would love to chat about this with you more – not sure how to get in touch but I'm on Twitter @thecaitd if you tweet!
har. hey people who are interested in learning python, I have a bunch of links here https://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Python_Office_… I hang out with python people ever other wednesday at a hackerspace. People invariably want to know what book to read or something, so I try to keep things up to date.