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Some chick says,
‘Thank you for saying
all the things I never do.’
I say, you know, the thanks I get
is to take all the shit for you.

-Ani DiFranco, “Face Up and Sing”

The only time a fan ever recognized me, I was shitfaced in a Minneapolis gay bar on New Year’s Eve, and absolutely desperate to pee. An extremely tall, hefty woman in a shiny silver dress stood ahead of me in line for the toilets, chatting with a friend who was lucky enough to already be in a stall. I distracted myself by staring at her dress and trying to think of a way to finesse the “Where did you get that?” question–the answer would obviously be a plus-size retailer, and outside the body-positive circles I run in, it’s generally considered rude for one stranger to essentially say, “Hey, you look approximately as fat as me! Let’s talk shopping!” Suddenly, the shiny silver lady turned around, and once her bleary eyes focused in on my face, she looked startled.

“Okay,” she slurred. “This is going to sound really weird, but has anyone ever told you you look like a blogger?”

The first thought that went through my head, no lie, was, “But I’m dressed up!” Sure, it may have been true that A) I was a semi-professional blogger, and B) nine days out of ten, I did look like every bad stereotype of one. Several years ago, I started working toward becoming a yoga teacher, so I could bring in some steady money while I did freelance writing on the side. Then I started a fat politics and body acceptance blog that sort-of-inexplicably became quite popular, and then Salon started paying me to blog for them, and I realized I could wear yoga pants to work every day without ever having to do yoga. Or leave the house or speak to other human beings. And that was way more appealing.

Still, this was New Year’s Eve, and I’d actually made an effort to look pretty. I was wearing a dress! And this bitch is telling me I look like a blogger?

She clarified: “You look just like this blogger, Kate, um…”

For a second there, I was still convinced she was just talking about some person I looked like. Yes, she was fat, drunk, Midwestern, and nerdy-looking, which meant she was definitely My People, and could plausibly have been one of my readers. And it would have been a really weird coincidence if she had said, “You look just like this blogger, Kate Somebody-else-entirely!” But I still felt like an arrogant asshole as I tentatively offered, “Harding?” I wasn’t even in my own hometown, and I am not actually a famous person. The whole exchange made no sense at all.

“Yes!” says silver, shiny lady. “Kate Harding! Shapely Prose! Oh my God! IT’S YOU!”

Oh my God. It was me.

I accepted a sloppy hug and told her the first two things that came to my mind: “I love your dress! And I really have to pee!”

When I came out of the stall, she picked up the conversation again. “I don’t want to sound like a creeper, but you changed my life. Really.”

What do you even say to that?

I mean, I knew what to say to that. It was the first time I’d been recognized completely out of context, but not the first time I’d heard such a compliment. As a “body image expert” (aka a blogger with a book deal), I’ve given readings and lectures, and received some lovely, sincere fan mail alongside the inevitable entreaties to “die in a fire, you fat cunt.” So my response, even while plastered, was simultaneously heartfelt and routine, genuine and consciously performed. It went something like: “Thank you so much! That means a lot. It’s a really wonderful thing to hear. I’m so glad you’ve found the blog helpful.”

I don’t remember the exact words, but I meant every one of them. I did. I wish there were a believable way to convey how not empty those words are, while still admitting that it is fucking weird and awkward to be standing in front of a stranger who wants to tell me how important I am to her–sometimes they cry because I was the first person who ever told them being fat doesn’t mean you’re a bad person who will surely die alone–and I’m both indescribably flattered and slightly freaked out because no, I don’t think you’re obviously a creeper, but I am also not your friend. And given the casual, conversational, strangely intimate nature of online writing, I can’t be sure you really understand that.

I mean, you’re a smart, empathetic person. You get it. Unless you don’t.

Being the kind of person who gets recognized once, in five years of doing stuff that makes strangers want to tell you kind and generous and potentially creepy things, is not quite fame as we understand it. It’s not even proper internet-fame. It’s an internet-specific variety of microfame that lands me somewhere north of your baby nephew mashing avocado in his face on Vine, but still well south of Grumpy Cat. In the first three years after I launched Shapely Prose, I did interviews with the New York Times, Reuters and Newsweek; appeared on “The Today Show” and “Nightline” and CNN, and achieved the two main writerly goals I had when I started blogging: A regular gig writing for Salon, and a book deal. That’s far more than I dared to imagine when I started out.

Even with both of those professional writing gigs and a lot of exposure, I was still making peanuts, mind you, and putting in at least part-time hours at Shapely Prose, which paid nothing at all. But there were other reasons to keep going. I mean, I had fucking fans. I had chubby college girls crying in my arms after lectures, and grandmothers writing me letters saying I’d convinced them to put on a bathing suit for the first time in thirty years, so they could get in the pool with their grandkids. One woman told me she’d been wearing a winter coat that didn’t button, in Manitoba, for three years in a row, because she didn’t think she deserved to buy a new one until she lost weight. She found my blog and bought herself a winter coat that fit. Whatever else I may or may not accomplish with my life, that’s the kind of thing I want in my obituary.

So, I had that going for me, which was nice, and I didn’t have to deal with being chased by paparazzi or even recognized in public. It was exactly the right degree of fame for an introvert who wants the whole world to love her, but not actually talk to her.

Unfortunately, it is the internet that makes this possible. And when you’re a woman who writes on the internet about being fat, and not hating yourself for it, you also get comments like this, every day of your life:

1. “all i see is a bunch of fat ass losers bitching because they think they deserve special accommodations for their lack of self control.
2. “Just put the f**king fork down and think of the Somali children you disgusting pigs.”
3. “What??? This is bull crap. Fat is a sickness and is horrible. Stop hiding behind the ‘dignity’ crap and start showing some guts and self control and lose weight.”

I love that one. “Stop hiding behind your stupid…dignity, fatty!” That one was written by a guy who gave his e-mail address as “youareabadfatperson@repentoruwillperisch.com, by the way.

You’re getting the picture, but let me just share one more comment, which is representative of a whole genre of troll comments, which I like to call: “The fat acceptance movement is why I can’t get a supermodel to suck my dick.”

“I don’t find fat people attractive. I wish I could. Why? Because America is getting so fat. Hell, everybody is fat nowadays. I’m fit, but damn it’s hard to find a fit/low-body fat girl out there who’s single. That’s what’s annoying. You just get tired of EVERYONE being so fat (even being around fat guys gets annoying). It’s just tiresome…damn tiresome.”

When you first start getting comments like that, it’s shocking and hurtful. Eventually, after so many people say the same shit to you, in the same way, so many times, you start to find it kind of funny. If you keep blogging after that, those comments become barely noticeable background noise. But they never go away. If you are a woman on the internet, you come to understand that this is the cost of doing business. Every day that you dare to have an opinion and post it publicly, you will be told not only that you’re wrong, but that you’re disgusting, unloveable, stupid, and basically everything that’s wrong with America. You get used to it soon enough, but I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t tiresome. Damn tiresome.

Still, at least you can feel justified in completely ignoring the straight-up trolls. The problem with having fans, with strangers who fall a little bit in love with you, is that some of them, like crappy partners, start to expect more than you can reasonably give–and because you’ve developed this relationship together, you can’t just tell them to piss off. So you try to be accommodating, without becoming a total pushover, when they demand that you drop what you’re working on and write about their pet subjects. Or freak out when you write something they disagree with, like you’ve betrayed them by having an opinion they didn’t expect. Every time I even changed the template on my blog, I’d get a couple dozen comments complaining that it was unfair of me to shake things up without warning. New colors! New fonts! What are we supposed to do with this? Why didn’t you ask us?

In 2010, when I announced that I was closing down Shapely Prose, which by then featured over 1200 posts by five bloggers, who together had moderated 106,000 comments in three years–most readers were incredibly gracious about it. Most of them said really kind and edifying things that made those three years of unpaid work worth it. And then there was a reader who wrote:

“Whether you like to admit it or not, the reason that you have personally had so much success is largely due to the support of so many people on Shapely Prose, and it kind of seems like you’re moving on now that, you know, you can do your own thing. Yes, it’s only your business if you want to keep blogging, but on the other hand, it’s kind of not–since, let’s face it, lots of other people helped you get where you are.”

It’s true, a lot of other people did help me get where I was, wherever that was. Did that really mean I wasn’t allowed to quit? That the decision to quit wasn’t only my business? At what point would I have worked off my debt to the community that helped launch my freelance writing career, that helped make me an author as well as a blogger? After two thousand posts? 200,000 comments?

That reader’s feelings notwithstanding, I went ahead and shut down the blog. I’d started blogging for the joy of it, but after three years, I’d burned through all the joy there was on banning commenters, justifying myself to reporters, repeating the same basic points ad nauseam, and exposing my wobbly, white belly to anyone who clicked on the right link. I’d lost the pure excitement I felt at the beginning, as I watched the number of pageviews go up every day and the commenters turn into a hilarious community I truly looked forward to hanging out with. Those sweet, hilarious, reasonable people were always the majority. But the din of those who felt I owed them more–more long and thoughtful posts, more TV appearances opposite fat-hating fearmongers, more attention to their particular causes, more leadership of a movement I never wanted to lead–eventually drowned out everything else.

I occasionally teach Blogging 101 classes now, even though I haven’t had an active blog in almost three years. The first thing I tell my students is: Do not even bother to blog unless you find it fun or someone is paying you for it. Those are the only two good reasons to do it. The second thing I tell them is: Probably no one will pay you for it. Fun is actually the only good reason to blog.

And when it’s no longer fun, you are allowed to stop.

Kate Harding is a Chicago writer best known for ranting about fat and rape. She also has some other interests. Her next book, Asking for It, will be out in 2014. In the meantime, you can find her on Twitter @kateharding.

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Diane Shipley · 613 weeks ago

I loved this! Not the horrible trolls, obviously, but the ways blogging can change your life. And what you said about internet fans reminded me of Pamela Ribon's Why Girls Are Weird, which is always a good thing to be reminded of.
This is really interesting - as someone who's been deeply invested in various websites, reminding myself "this person is not my friend. I don't really know them, no matter how much they've shared about their personal life. They don't actually owe me anything." has sometimes been hard. It's rare to see the sausage being made - as introspective as many bloggers are, writing about blogging isn't that common, at least in my experience. So thank you so much for this added perspective!
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anachronistique · 613 weeks ago

It's definitely weird! I've met bloggers/online writers whose work absolutely astounds me, and then it's like.... where are these boundaries? How do I not become a creepy jerk?
For what it's worth, me too! I have friends I've met after loving their blogs--and friends who started out as SP readers, for that matter--and it is a really strange dance at first. I try to err on the side of not presuming anyone knows or likes me (which is probably about my own insecurities as much as anything else). But the flip side is, I apparently wasted years during which I might have been friends with Nicole Cliffe, because I figured she didn't know who I was. Turned out she did, and the first time I e-mailed her, she had a happy little fit about it, and so did I, and here we are. In conclusion... weird! And who knows?! And the golden rule is never a bad strategy (unless you're a masochist, I guess).
Oh, I remember! We got put on the same "hey, internet feminists" email chain for something, and I did a full-on "not worthy."

I think it helps to think of great, shuttered websites as being like books. I mean, I love "The House of Mirth," but I don't expect Edith Wharton to keep comments open on it so I can say: "omgggggggggggg Lily GET IT TOGETHER."
I started the chain! It was for the Feminist Hate Read Book Club. Full disclosure: Roxane Gay told me to put you on the list. Thank/blame her.

Also, YES about Wharton. This is also why I love that Alice Munro is totally unapologetic about her decision to retire--at 81!--and when the National Post reporter tried to guilt-trip her about it, she was all, "Go back and read the old ones."
I really wanted Alice Munro to say "I decided that Lorentzen fellow in the Paris Review was right, and I'm not as good as people say. Blame him!"
Really excited to see you here, Kate. Shapely Prose literally changed my life as well about five years ago, and has been such a force for good in my life and relationships. I hope that writing here is in fact fun.

The issues of community and responsibility and burnout are so thorny. Even on this huge (somewhat) wonderful internet, clearly there aren't enough spaces like Shapely Prose, or whatever else people need. It's ridiculous that one person, or even five bloggers on one blog, should carry that responsibility. I know a lot of us over at the Hairpin commentariat were nervous when Edith left because we had so come to value the thoughtfulness and intelligence of the Pin, which is really like nowhere else online (hopefully here now though). It isn't that Edith owes us anything, it's just that it's ludicrous that it's so hard to find that smart kindness anywhere else online.
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Oh thank goodness, you said it better than I ever could. But may the things we love never stay put and eat themselves, may they evolve like a flock of beautiful intersectional butterflies.
On the other hand, if the bloggers we love go elsewhere it means they're spreading the wonderfulness all over the internets. :)
And may the commenters we love remain with us here and there and over there in that other place and everywhere forever!
Oh it's true! Which is why I'm so thrilled about this place. But Kate was so burnt out that she wasn't writing online much of anywhere (understandably!). I wonder if, someone wants to have the conversation about a writers responsibility to the community they create, we could also have a decent conversation about how to support them back so that burnout isn't so high. Maybe that just isn't something you can do on the public internet.
Yes! In a community such as this there is mutual give and take (as opposed to the pure creation/consumption of, say, magazine writing). The writers all know what we want from them (maybe all too well), but we don't really know what they want from us. And what they want is going to be different for everyone, whereas what we want is always the same: MORE GOOD STUFF PLEASE NEVER GO AWAAAAYYYY. Which is not very helpful, of course. ;)
I think it would be an interesting conversation to have, although yeah, could get thorny in public. And it's really hard--lots of people offered help to the SP bloggers over the years, but it's hard to maintain really high standards without a certain amount of control freakiness. My co-bloggers and I were generally on exactly the same page in terms of moderation, and bringing in someone who was on a slightly different page would only have created more headaches.

Folks also frequently, generously, offered money. But I was never interested in taking donations, because to me, it felt like there were a ton of us doing really good work for free, for the same readership--why did I deserve a donation a dozen other writers weren't asking for? (And I was never interested in ads, because with our content, they'd all be for diets. In fact, I'm sure that's happening now, since Wordpress started putting ads on blogs they host--I don't make anything from ads that show up on the SP archive.)

So honestly, it's hard to know what kind of help the community could have provided--besides being generally awesome and helping to enforce community standards--though I was always grateful for the offers. I think burnout is an inevitable part of social justice blogging, and everybody manages differently.
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MamacitaConPistolas · 613 weeks ago

This is a great article for a launch of a new site. Things change, and it's good to be reminded at the beginning that everything has an end.

Also, Kate, looking forward to the new book!
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This is so true, and such a good kickoff for a new site and in the wake of changes with an old, beloved one. It was really powerful to hear about these issues firsthand from someone like Kate, whose writing is always so good.
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flimflannery · 613 weeks ago

I was going to say, yeah, Shapely Prose changed the way I thought about my body and my worth when I was in college, so I'm so glad that blog was there! But I'm glad you've moved on to books and paying gigs where more people can see your work.
" I don’t think you’re obviously a creeper, but I am also not your friend."

Heck, I'll be friends with cool, smart people who read my blog and think nice things about it. But then, I guess I'm much, much lower on the fame radar than even the avocado baby.
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aww, you're definitely above Grumpy Cat on my list!
I am friends with some cool, smart people who read my blog. But that happened because we met and hung out and talked off-blog, you know? I generally don't consider someone whose name I don't even know yet a friend. It usually takes at least five minutes after that.
Thanks so much for the kind words, all!
OH AND. Two things.

1) Shiny silver lady and I have now been FB friends for years.
2) When I first heard "Face Up and Sing," at 19, I felt gut-punched--Ani DiFranco was one of my heroes, and there she was, singing about how she didn't want to be one? It seemed awfully unfair that she expected losers like me to add our voices to the mix, when she was the one who knew how to say everything just right. But then I grew up and got microfamous, and then I totally got it.
What a fantastic post! It's rare to see a writer respond not just to the obvious troll comments, but also the well-meaning overbearing supportive ones. They all have their toll in their own way -- the trolls wearing you down slowly, and the well-meaning overbearing ones laying all their expectations on your shoulders. Either way it has to wear you out! Thank you, Kate, for the reminder that you don't have to do a thing if it stops bringing you enjoyment.
Ack, I guess my comment from yesterday was hacked away! [I will self-consciously try to recreate it now...] This was so interesting and great — both on how blogging can change your life (it did for me, too, although on a smaller - no pun - scale).
What you said about that one-way affection from people who feel like they know (but don't) also reminded me a lot of Pamela Ribon's book Why Girls Are Weird, which is always good to be reminded of, so thanks.
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I love that book! You're right, it is nice to be reminded of it. I might have to read it again now.
I was thinking the same thing!
Oh hey, Diane, I saw that comment before the site went *poof*, and I was going to respond--basically just to say I can't believe I haven't read that book yet. As soon as I'm done editing Asking for It, I think I'll read that and Jessica Grose's Sad Desk Salad back to back.
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Ooh, that sounds like fun! I haven't read Sad Desk Salad myself yet, but it seems like WGAW and then that would trace some kind of ladyblogging evolution.
Great post, Kate. Thank you.
There were a lot of issues with FemFuture, but one thing that was so true, and I think got missed in the criticisms, was burnout among feminist bloggers. The ones who write in big public forums (Jill Filipovic on The Guardian, etc.) take heat from the anti-fems, and fems who try to tackle big new things are worried that they'll be consumed from within by their own peeps. And, like we were saying in our intro post, that's why we want to let people use this blog as a testing ground to float big weird ideas, sometimes. It's scary to do big posts, or to try new things. Try them here!
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Renee Perry · 613 weeks ago

Wonderful post, Kate. I have some number of people that I know only through the internet. We're something like friends, but not exactly, which is just the 21st century, I guess
Wonderful post, Kate! The way people relate to one another online has always been fascinating to me, being among the first generation of people who have grown up with pervasive instant publishing / messaging. On the one hand, you meet so many people, and types of people, that you never would have otherwise, but on the other hand, the quality of those relationships is different and as the post elucidates clearly, there's a certain risk to assuming a text-only relationship, with or without the obfuscation provided by aliases, possesses the attendant aspects of responsibility and accountability of a "real one". Meeting people in the flesh after long virtual acquaintanceship is at first perplexing but becomes kind of lovely - it's like running into someone you'd known but hadn't seen in years.

I find that a good policy is to not consider someone your friend until they have initiated some sort of informal contact with you. It's a good indication of someone wanting you around them, rather than just being tolerant of you. If you're always on the approach, you're just an admirer. But if you fall a little bit in love with someone that's easy to lose sight of - I'd developed an online friendship with a woman over a few months and when a letter I sent was not returned I realized that we weren't the type of friends for whom the effort of postal correspondence is worthwhile. It's always a little bit hard to realize someone doesn't think of you, even if they bear you no ill will.

I was recognized on the street once as a prolific poster on a message board, not even a blogger, and that was strange. But not a particularly interesting story.
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Also can we talk about how unsettling it is that the serious notion of a "personal brand" is common and embraced enthusiastically? It seems so dystopian.
Loved this behind the scenes look at blogging. I would definitely enjoy more posts like this from different bloggers! Also, more posts from you, Kate! You have a great voice.
Kate, you're the best. And not just for reaching so many people but for being able to know when it was time for you to move on :) I can relate to your story so much. Rock on - lots of people are rooting for you!
This provided some great perspective on dealing with feedback on my blog. I'm just a nobody writing about theater in London and as near as I can tell I have about three fans, but MAN criticize a play with someone famous in it and people just come out of the woodwork to attack you, because, well, I'm not just wrong, I'm stupid and I'm a bitch. And probably a failed actress taking out her bitterness on the entire theater community.

Bonus: I've only met one of my fans in the three years I've been doing this, and it's still fun. :-)
Kate, Shapely Prose 100% definitely changed my life. I am not even sure that I ever left a comment there, but I still remember the delight I felt when I found it. So, thank you for that. Very much.

The thing for me is to remember that yes, I know SOME of that person's thoughts, but they don't know mine. And they have tonns of thoughts that I am not privvy to, and that's ok! It's good, even! I've had a few moments where, in retrospect, I've come off as pompous or overfamiliar when communicating with mildly famous people over the internet, because I've forgotten that although I am privvy to their conversational habits and understandings, they are not to mine. I am a stranger to them and they don't know that I am well intentioned. The burden of that proof is on me.

I have several good friends who I met through blogging (we are none of us in the least famous) and it was very strange initially, navigating that intimacy gap. I knew lots of their deep thoughts and their hopes and fears, but I didn't know their children's names.

Incidentally, none of that group of friends now blogs with any regularity. When we do, it's more from nostalgia. We keep in touch, mostly, through facebook and twitter. I can't make myself form any great thoughts about blogging as a format but I wonder if it does often have a timeframe. Personally I found that there are things that I am willing to say on twitter or in comments sections that I don't feel belong on a slightly more formal blogging platform, where I feel like I should have narrative and... well, a point. It feels more publicly exposed and more formal, and so there are a limited number of things I feel comfortable talking about at that level, and I've really said most of them. I got self conscious, I guess, and felt overwhelmed by the keeping-up part of blogging.

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