The Sequel To Rebecca The Second Mrs. de Winter Deserves -The Toast

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MRS. DE WINTER: How could we be close when I knew you were always thinking of Rebecca? How could I even ask you to love me when I knew you loved Rebecca still?

MAXIM DE WINTER: What are you talking about? What do you mean?

MRS. DE WINTER: Whenever you touched me, I knew you were comparing me with Rebecca. Whenever you looked at me or spoke to me, or walked with me in the garden, I knew you were thinking, “This I did with Rebecca, and this, and this.” It’s true, isn’t it?

MAXIM: You thought I loved Rebecca? You thought that? I hated her!

MRS. DE WINTER: I…literally of course I thought that you loved her.

MAXIM: Well, I didn’t. I hated her real bad.

MRS. DE WINTER: Why in God’s hell would you act surprised that I thought you loved your first wife, given that you have displayed absolutely zero indication to the contrary to me, ever?

MAXIM: Well, you know, I guess we just crossed wires on that one. But rest assured that I hated her from the get-go, and have only ever loved you.

MRS. DE WINTER: How did we cross wires?

MAXIM: What?

MRS. DE WINTER: Crossed wires would suggest that at some point you tried to communicate the truth to me and I misunderstood. When, before this actual moment, have you ever said to me anything like “By the way, my beautiful dead wife, of whom everyone speaks so fondly and whose praises I have never once contradicted, I did not love at all, while you, the terrified woman I alternately ignore or berate, I love a whole bunch, which I choose to demonstrate by refusing to put her mind at ease telling by her literally never about how depraved and evil my dead wife was?

MAXIM: I –

MRS. DE WINTER: That would have been a five-minute conversation.

MAXIM: I suppose I thought you would just sort of…pick up on it, I guess. I’m always brooding about it.

MRS. DE WINTER: Surely even you must admit that “silently brooding about hatred” looks an awful lot like “silently brooding about a lost love,” to the untrained eye.

MAXIM: I hadn’t thought of it that way.

MRS. DE WINTER: You bring me back to the house you shared with her, you spend all of four seconds getting me acquainted with running a massive country estate, you leave me with a squadron of Rebecca’s beloved, devoted old servants who spend half their time ominously reminding me of how beautiful she was while dusting her old bedroom, which you have allowed to be turned into an actual shrine, and also the one time I asked you if I made you happy, you said you didn’t know what happiness was.

MAXIM: All right. All right. From that perspective, I admit, things look…unclear.

MRS. DE WINTER: That’s what Prince Charles said on the day of his engagement to Princess Diana, by the way.

MAXIMNo. Really? That bad?

MRS. DE WINTER: The interviewer asked them if they were in love after they announced their engagement, and Diana chirps out, “Of course!” and Charles pulls the rug out from under her immediately with “Whatever in love means.”

MAXIM: Jesus.

MRS. DE WINTER: Yes. So.

MAXIM: I suppose that it was a completely normal conclusion for you to draw, then, that I was still in love with Rebecca, given that I never told you anything about her

MRS. DE WINTERThank you.

MAXIM: Also, just to reiterate, she died by accident. By a violent blow to the head, during a vicious quarrel the two of us were having, after which I disposed of her body. But the dying itself, that was an accident. Her head fell on a rock. Right here, in this boat house, where by pure happenstance you and I happen to be having a quarrel right now ourselves.

MRS. DE WINTER: Mmm.

MAXIM: You believe me, don’t you, darling? That it was an accident?

MRS. DE WINTER: I’ve never said anything to indicate otherwise, have I?

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Perfection.
And the prequel we all deserve:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr59DKnFKx0
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numbly pumbly · 509 weeks ago

Max is an unbearable douche!
What did Rebecca even do to offend him apart from recognize that he is an unbearable douche.
Wait did I just answer my own question?
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It always makes me sad that Mrs. de Winter II didn't have a friend to take her by the shoulders and tell her 'you deserve better than this!' because, seriously.
6 replies · active 508 weeks ago
Oh Maxim, when your friends told you to avoid mentioning your ex with a girl you like, they never meant for you to go that far.

Also - Prince Charles is just awful. Really awful. He should remain gagged at all times for the good of Britain and the Commonwealth. BUT - I still think that was an incredibly gauche question for a journalist to ask a royal in 1981.

For the majority of history, love would have never entered the equation. Chuck pretty much knew he had to marry 1) a virgin from a royal or noble family, who was 2) reasonably attractive 3) well-manned enough to be in the public eye and 4) without any obvious hereditary insanity.

That pretty much eliminated 95% of female aristocrats right there.
12 replies · active 508 weeks ago
She still needs to throw a bowl of peaches at his head for that time he "flirtatiously" threatened to make her stand in the corner. And told her to dress like a ten-year-old.
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I think we all need this right now: http://www.harkavagrant.com/history/brontessm.png

Also, I had it in my brain that Rebecca had different endings in America and the UK, because of the Hayes Code, but now I can't find anything about that online. Is that a different Hitchcock movie? The 39 Steps?
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I've never forgiven Prince Charles
I really think that in this much deserved sequel the second Mrs de Winter should be allowed to have her own name. One that is not 'Maxim's little fool' or 'Rebecca II (not as hot and not as fun)'
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I wrote a paper on Rebecca for my Femme Fatales in Film women's studies class in college (A+ class, would take again and again and again). The moment that I realized that Mrs. de Winter II doesn't have a first name in a film completely focused on the name and person Rebecca was like that surprised hamster gif. AND THEN when I looked up the etymology of Rebecca and found out it literally means snare or noose...oh man mind blowing stuff right there. That class was so awesome.

So my only addendum to suggest for this post--she gets a FIRST NAME. Something super lofty and way better than Rebecca. And then gets away with murdering Maxim, taking all his money, and goes back to the riviera/takes to the sea and lives out her life doing whatever the hell she wants without a damn man.
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That would have been a five-minute conversation. Sums up so many things. So many.
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Mallory! This is perfect. Please do a convo with Mrs. Danvers next. When I read this book I wanted to confront that woman in no uncertain terms. I wanted the protagonist to tell her *I* am Mrs. deWinter. And Mrs. Danvers works for *me*. One more show of attitude and Mrs. Danvers would be at the edge of the property, on foot, carrying her belongings, without a job WITHIN THE HOUR. Now that we understand each other, move every piece of furniture, every curtain, every item out of that shrine of a room and burn them. Wipe down the walls top to bottom and scrub the floor. I'll have an interior designer in there by next week, planning how to decorate *my* bedroom.
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Just coming here to say that this reminds me that I want someone to do some sort of mash-up of "Rebecca" and "Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm" and if there's any place where this request might actually be realized, then it's here.
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Aw man. I have to show this to my students next year. They usually end up loving Rebecca, but get really angry at certain things. I'm always really proud of them, because they get angry at the RIGHT things:

"But are we EVER gonna find out her name?"
"Ew, he's more than twice her age!"
"Why is she okay with him KILLING HIS FIRST WIFE?"
"Why doesn't Maxim just fire Mrs. Danvers for being a psycho stalker?"
"OMG Jasper dies in the fire!" (He does not. There is a reference to Frank taking him to his office before the fire breaks out. I have the page folded in my book for easy reference so I can immediately quell the panic. Team Jasper all the way.)
3 replies · active 508 weeks ago
Shorter Maxim:

The next scene should be about her firing the entire staff.
I have read Rebecca many a time but I still can't manage to remember anything that Rebecca ever did that was actually all that wrong, except for maybe sleeping around? which I would normally oppose but nobody who hasn't been married to Maxim de Winter gets to judge I think. Even with a double layer of unreliable narrators who both have a vested interest in making her come over like a very bad lady I think she comes out of it looking pretty good

edit: oh wait, she killed somebody I guess? well, we all make mistakes. at least she wasn't a doormat.
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I actually do remember thinking Rebecca was evil when I read the book, probably 90% due to the fact that I'd recently gotten out of an emotionally abusive friendship with someone who, I only realized after three years, was expertly manipulating everyone around her into loving and pitying and admiring her for being so strong and brave, etc, by faking a lot of psychological issues because she got off on everyone's pity and adoration. So I projected a lot of that onto Rebecca (and a lot of other books I read at the time too, probably); I wonder how evil Rebecca would seem to me now, ten years later.

I mean, probably still pretty evil, albeit in a pretty impressive way, right?? Her response to being diagnosed with cancer is, "I bet I can goad my husband into killing me, that'll show him" and then she did.
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I would like to note for the Toasties that there is a later-written, non-du Maurier sequel called Mrs. de Winter that's pretty sweet. Also, let us not forget that in addition to the emotional abuse that Maxim may have exaggerated, she did threaten the mentally disabled homeless man with an institution if he told on her, and he's still afraid of her despite knowing she drowned. Rebecca is not a nice person. Narrator all the way.
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Also the sister in law who is the only person nice to the narrator never liked Rebecca and she had good sense and didn't stand for artifice. I liked her even though her name (Caroline?) has slipped my ordinarily obsessed with the book at all times mind. If Narrator had been a little less afraid to confide in her the whole party disaster would have been avoided and she'd have known how evil Danvers is sooner.
Is it wrong that I cheered when Danvers was so upset Rebecca had kept something from her? You were just a tool all along, "Danny"!
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It's basically impossible for me to love this piece more than I do. I need a second me, to love this more. Brava.
All of this! I'll preface this with the disclaimer that I haven't read the book yet. The reason why I love the movie so much is how much subtle menace there is lurking behind every scene. I like to show it to people along with Gaslight and Suspicion as a way to demonstrate how emotional abuse can wear many faces. (You can argue with me about Suspicion if you like but I think it was a shitty, manipulative, emotionally and financially abusive relationship and the ending of the film wasn't happy in the least.) Keep your wife isolated and friendless, fly into a rage whenever she relaxes and tries to please you, mope sullenly and be uncommunicative and leave her wondering just what she's done wrong. Oh sure Max, you love her all right.

Also it's why "The Screaming Skull" remains one of my favorite MST3K episodes. Someone tried to staple Rebecca and Gaslight onto a tepid horror movie, and failed in such a deliciously bad way.
Lovely ending, and I'm sure you know this, but for the benefit of anyone who's seen the film but not read the book: in the novel, he admits to outright murdering her. They couldn't show the hero murdering someone and getting away with it in film back then, due to the Hayes code, so they changed it to an accident. Another note for people not aware of it: Daphne du Maurier was gay.

My headcanon sequel:

The de Winters wander around various resorts after the book, as indicated, and it is just as boring and soulless as the narrator says. While at a resort, the narrator runs into a lovely young woman who teaches tennis. She begins to take tennis lessons, for real this time. She suddenly realises why she was so obsessed with Rebecca, and had that intense chemistry with Mrs Danvers, not to mention why she had so little going on in her marriage. Her delightful new lover also encourages her to think about the fact that her husband is a murderer and does not in any way deserve to have her trudging about nursing his self-esteem for him. So she raids their joint bank account and elopes with tennis coach lady. They live happily ever after, enjoying a relationship of mutual respect and oodles of hot sex. Maxim takes three weeks to notice.
May I suggest Booda's Yuletide fic Oh No You Didn't?

Maxim's the worst but he's what our Narrator wants, along with Manderley, and there's something about her matter-of-fact childishness in this that's really satisfying.
Mrs. deWinters, #2 (who still has no name, poor thing) for the win.
In this sequel, could she FINALLY GET A NAME?????

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