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Every time I write about race I want it to be the last time I write about race. I’m sick of it, and I think I’m spent, and then weeks later I have more to say, or just different, maybe better ways to say it. I’m not sure if anyone wants to hear it though.

Every time I write about race it sounds like my opinions are really strong and final, which is just a byproduct of writing them down instead of saying them out loud in conversation. People respond to me agreeing or disagreeing, but all I can think is “Oh wow you took that really seriously.”

A few weeks ago Nicole Chung commiserated with me on Twitter, and spoke of “this impossible balance to strike between helping people see what hurts you, and making them see you as MORE than that.”

I feel like I’m whining when I talk about being mixed race, like I’m trying to score points or make myself more interesting by saying I’m not white. I’ve been accused of just that, and it keeps sinking in.

I watched Master of None, and that scene where Aziz and his friend take their parents to dinner and talk about being the children of immigrants. I related and didn’t. I am the child of an immigrant but that was not my life. My dad didn’t chase chickens around his backyard or come to this country to fight for a better life. His parents were the ones who did that. He came as a child and ate hamburgers and played rock music and barely speaks any of the languages his parents spoke.

Some of it was my life, though. My grandma talks about fighting a cobra out of my dad’s crib as a baby. My favorite snack as a child was Parle-G gluco-biscuits. But I am not a sum of those stories.

I ordered a couch from Macy’s and the customer service lady on the phone asked what kind of name “Saxena” was. I told her, and she said she already knew because she has Indian friends with the same last name. Does she do that with Smiths?

When Indian friends talk about being Indian I feel twice removed. There is slang I don’t know and experiences that are expected to be universal for someone with an Indian parent. They are not.

I worry that by talking and writing about this so much I am making it my whole self.

I have heirlooms, lots of them, silver and pearls and heavy wooden furniture from people who have been in America for ten generations. I am slightly horrified when people hold holiday dinners and use plastic flatware and plates. I have a hard time with many of my own Indian relatives’ names. I have drank beef broth with vodka and enjoyed it.

I sometimes say “chapal” instead of “sandal” and when I purse my lips around lip balm I hear my dad saying “omkara” even though I don’t know what that means.

I don’t know why all these experiences feel like contradictions. I am not a contradiction. My life does not fit into a narrative essay. Why do I need to prove that to you?

Can you appropriate religion? It feels like something that should be purer than that, but I wouldn’t know. All I know is the internal eye-roll when a white person shows me their Durga tattoo or says they worship Ganesh. But I’m an atheist so why should that matter?

I have friends of other backgrounds who know more about Indian culture than I do. They’ve lived in India for years, or watch Bollywood obsessively, or grew up eating Indian food. They can name all the playback singers and talk about politics and know the ins and outs of daily life in towns I’ll never visit. At first they looked to me for expertise, or confirmation of their knowledge, and now I worry they’ll just pity me. Or they’ll use my ignorance to bolster their own confidence. They know more than an Indian person about her own culture.

I am allowed to be into yoga and Indian food and Indian music without repercussion. I do not watch white people do it while I feel discriminated against. This is another contradiction that shouldn’t be.

I don’t want to see people like me in media. I want to see me. I realized this while watching Quantico, where Priyanka Chopra’s character has a white father and an Indian mother. Her family makeup is the closest I’ve ever seen to mine but no, she’s from California and lived in India and is darker and has better hair. That’s not me. Neither is Aziz, living in New York and eating sandwiches from Parm but dealing with racial stereotypes, or Gwen Stefani with her zippered pants and bindis but blonde hair, or anyone with whom I’ve partially identified over the years.

I never used to have a problem feeling left out of media, and it’s not really a problem so much as something I casually notice. As long as there’s a sassy brunette I’m good.

Why would I even expect to see my whole, exact self on TV?

I think everyone goes through those moments where you realize you are not like anybody else. None of us are. There are just some life experiences that make you realize it faster.

My theory is that being mixed race blows the whole thing open. I am allowed to identify in a number of different ways, and that shows how flimsy the whole notion of race is. Not that race is meaningless. Our actions and history have given it meaning. But it’s not hard to poke through.

When I was 17 I visited a liberal arts college in the midwest. It was grey and small. I introduced myself to other students and the conversation went as it normally does. I said my name is Jaya and they said that’s a pretty name/I haven’t heard that name/where is that from? I said it’s Hindi and they’d ask if I’m Indian. I said my dad is from India and that’s the last time I had control of my identity, if I even had it to begin with. All of a sudden I was Indian, and that was the most interesting thing about me, the only thing about me. They didn’t want to hear anything else, things that are not contradictory to being Indian, only the things that confirmed the image they already had. And when I asked about their backgrounds they said they were white and boring, white and boring, not like me.

I’m getting tired of this drive to prove that I am more than these things about me.

I want to be the one who dictates what gets associated with me.

I’m bored of talking about this.

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"I’m getting tired of this drive to prove that I am more than these things about me.

I want to be the one who dictates what gets associated with me.

I’m bored of talking about this."

<3
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Matt Tinoco · 477 weeks ago

I'm mixed White/Latino and agree wholeheartedly. What you say about race not being meaningless through its assigned connotation is certainly prevalent. But let's be real, it's a whole load of contrived bullshit.

People never have any idea what race I am when they first meet me. I'm used to it at this point, but I'm used to a very regular stream of "what are you?" questions coming my way from cashiers and classmates alike. The funny part is how people usually think I'm asian, or a mix of White/Asian. Sure I'm mixed, but not that particular one.

Race is bullshit. We're all the same stupid monkeys.
I ordered a couch from Macy’s and the customer service lady on the phone asked what kind of name “Saxena” was. I told her, and she said she already knew because she has Indian friends with the same last name.

Then WHY WOULD YOU EVEN ASK THAT?

Jaya, your writing is some of my favourite stuff on the Toast, whatever the topic. <3
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or seriously, why would you even ask that at all? like: what difference does it make to you? why would you care at all?

also, yes: <3s for you, jaya, your writing is A+ gold star.
I have a mixed race heritage that my mom and aunt are super into, but my skin is Super White (I joke about bringing back the Elizabeth I look, I am whiter than my Irish in-laws) and I grew up in the rural/suburban Midwest. So I was raised to believe "these are my people," while not actually participating in any of their current culture (though I get on well with middle aged Southern black ladies, when I encounter them) and still getting all the white privilege. It's very confusing, really.
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Aurora F · 477 weeks ago

I have the same face as my black and Mexican mom, but my Welsh-descended dad's coloring (blonde/blue-eyed/melaninless skin). So if people know my mom, they recognize me immediately as her daughter, but if I ever tell anyone I'm black and Mexican, the most common response is "no, you're not." It's a strange place to be, for sure.
I also have the exact same features as my Mexican mom, but with pale skin and lighter hair from my dad's side. I have identical profile and bone structure as my maternal grandmother as well. Our heights are the same down to the quarter inch. And yet, when I was a kid out with my mom we would get the thing where complete strangers would ask her "is that really your daughter." T_T
Same! I'm half Puerto Rican, but I'm actually a lot paler than my Scotch-Irish mother. Unlike my cousins, I never get asked "what I am" and as a result I have a lot of weird emotions about not being "entitled" to own my Puerto-Ricanness, if that makes sense.
Jaya, thanks for this beautiful piece and for sharing these thoughts with us. I wish you - and all of us - had the power to dictate what gets associated with who you are as an individual. At any rate, we love you and think you are amazing.

You ask if people can appropriate religion, and I think the answer is yes. I grew up in a UU church where they hosted seders, and had Buddhist prayer groups, and men's drumming circles with Native American names for the members. As I got older it made me more and more uncomfortable, these middle-class white people taking an a la carte approach to spirituality and embracing anything that seemed "different" and "cool," i.e., not Christianity. I mean, it was great that it made them happy and more spiritual, I guess, but there was an element of tone-deafness and blindness to the fact that what they were sampling was a sacred center for millions of people. Millions of non-white, non-middle class people.

ETA: /UU rant. I obviously have some childhood baggage about growing up in this church, and in fact broke publicly with my home church and the UUA in 2013 after being treated terribly in planning my father's funeral. So take my thoughts with a grain of salt, everyone.
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Oof, yes, I am still UU, and the appropriation is definitely something us younger generations are way, way more aware and literate about than the middle-aged stalwarts of the church. It's tough when, like my mom's church, membership is a real struggle and the older generations are the only thing keeping the church intact. But hopefully we can make some real changes for the better.
My parents' evangelical Protestant church (the same one I grew up in, though I don't claim it anymore) has had seders around Easter and ... no. That's not y'all's to have. It's important context, sure, but it's not yours.
Liking this in part for the possessive y'all, which I haven't heard since I left Texas many years ago. I love it. (Not ironically or sarcatically, lest that's unclear. I just straight love the many flavors of "y'all.")
They have them because of the connection between Christianity and Judaism. Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism and they are using the same texts. I'm not sure that really counts as appropriation; otherwise you would have to say they are also appropriating the Ten Commandments, since it's from the same book.
It is absolutely 100% appropriation, because a basic tenet of Christianity is that Christ's sacrifice eliminates the necessity of ritual religious law as applied to Judaism. It also is annoying and offensive because seders have a very specific cultural/religious context and the Christian approach to it is almost always "look at this quaint and unnecessary thing the Jews do."

Christians aren't celebrating Passover because they're celebrating Passover. They're celebrating the Last Supper as Christ's last meal before his crucifixion (and, more specifically, there tends to be lots of emphasis on Judas's betrayal at these dinners.) The two holidays have calendar overlap, but Christians are most definitely not celebrating Passover in any sort of context that respects or honors any shared roots in Abrahamic tradition. At best, it's an ill-conceived attempt to emphasize that Christians and Jews share common ground that should be honored. At worst, it's a celebration of anti-Semitism.
All of what Robyn said, AND ALSO the seder in its modern iteration is a development of Post Destruction Rabbinic thought, which has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. In Jesus' time, Passover was certainly a holiday. It was celebrated with a pilgrimage to Jerusalem and a barbecue.
It's weird to think of, as a Christian, because a tenet of Christianity "everybody should be a Christian because it's in line with God's will" and "the gospel is true." For some this leads to straightforward evangelism, and for some it doesn't, but, regardless, that tenet tends to be there.

So growing up I always sorta figured all religions were like that. Every religious group would want more people to join their group and share their beliefs, because their beliefs were the truest and most morally right, in their eyes. So it was a very foreign idea that perhaps other religious groups would be unhappy with the notion that someone outside their culture might convert to their religion.

Honestly, it's still a big cultural difference for me to understand, even today, even though I *get* it more now.
Yes, I guess it's true that some adherents would be upset about someone converting to their religion from outside their culture. What I objected to at my childhood church (and still object to) is the idea of picking and choosing practices from other religions because they are exciting and different, like picking foods off a buffet.

No one in that church actually converted to Judaism/Buddhism/Hinduism/etc., they just liked to dabble in them. And those of us who did convert to Judaism/Buddhism/other Christian faiths when we grew up were not treated well when we returned to visit.

Wow, I didn't realize how het up all this still makes me. Bitter, Party of One...
Yeah, I hadn't really thought about it before, but the casualness is what makes me agree with you that it's kinda appropriative. "This is a major part of your lives and I'm going to take a small part of it that seems attractive to me and perform it (possibly badly), without feeling the weight of any of the rest of what you believe."
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Museof Fire · 477 weeks ago

Are you sure it was a proper uu church and not a religion 101 class? It can be hard to tell the difference but uu congregation should have some committed theologians. My minister is Buddhist for example. Others might by catholic but have to share power with the pagans.
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DropTable~DropsMic · 477 weeks ago

I did a lot of UU stuff in college and felt pretty serious about it for a while, and this is one of the things that made me feel uncomfortable with it and eventually stop attending.
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Museof Fire · 477 weeks ago

A college group is gonna be even more casual and even more directionless than a full congregation which already has a lot if theologically confused people. Also the true believers will be hesitant to fully express thier believe in nature spirits less they turn soneone away.
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Museof Fire · 477 weeks ago

A college group is mostly going to be confused young people. The senior members will be reluctant to push me too hard. It's lke that in Sunday school if you grow up in the church.
"white and boring"

I'm more likely say I'm one half Italian, and maybe I'll add that the other half is "every other European nation", and then if I ever get "wow you're white for an Italian" I get to say "I guess you don't know much about Italy then", which is fun, because I'm an asshole.

But it's true that white is seen as "normal" and therefore boring, so I just now put it together that that's what makes "where are YOU from" rude/problematic/racist. I mean I knew it was, but I couldn't draw a line like that before.
Oh, Jaya, thank you for this. As someone with a Middle Eastern father and European mother, you have put so many of my confused thoughts into words. I do not identify as mixed race, but I have also spent most of my life feeling that no single identity defines me; that I can move between categories, but never really settle into one. Sometimes I like this, sometimes I don't. Our experiences have not been wholly the same, so thank you for giving me a glimpse of yours.
Thank you for continuing to talk about this. I'm the white mom of two fantastic mixed-race teens, and your reflections on being biracial are always relevant to my closest-held interests.
"I have friends of other backgrounds who know more about Indian culture than I do. They’ve lived in India for years, or watch Bollywood obsessively, or grew up eating Indian food. They can name all the playback singers and talk about politics and know the ins and outs of daily life in towns I’ll never visit. At first they looked to me for expertise, or confirmation of their knowledge, and now I worry they’ll just pity me. Or they’ll use my ignorance to bolster their own confidence. They know more than an Indian person about her own culture."

Thank you so much for putting this into words. This is me, but replace Bollywood with anime, India with Japan...

There's something so humiliating about not being able to claim a part of your identity even though you live it. Where you feel left out or like a failure because your white friends speak better Japanese than you do or like you should know where your grandparents immigrated from but you can't even talk to them :'(
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This was a gut-punch to me too. My housemate is going on her second trip to Taiwan, where my mom was born and I've never been. I'm jealous, but it's a weird kind of jealousy. I'm American, so why should I care anyway? But then she comes home and talks about all the food she's eaten and the culture and the things she's seen, and I feel a sense of loss.
My dad is Korean American and my mom is white, and I spent the past summer studying Korean and the fall semester studying in Seoul, surrounded (or so it felt) by non Koreans obsessed with K-Pop, Kdramas, Idols, etc. My Korean is still very very iffy and my knowledge of Korean pop culture is very slim....I try to tell myself that listening to Korean music or watching Korean dramas isn't what makes you Korean/Korean American in the slightest. It's lived experiences that matter, and there isn't just one way to be Korean. However, I really really feel you in that it's so humiliating to know so little about your own culture, especially when white friends/classmates like to position themselves as experts. I've been in situations where white classmates know more about k-pop or Korean history or whatever than me, and seem to really enjoy "educating" me. It's a shitty feeling.
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JoelleVanDyne · 477 weeks ago

Cultural fetishism is a white person privilege. And I don't think it's far off to see it as a natural extension of colonialism.

My in-laws are about to visit my husband who is temporarily in Jerusalem, and it was a very difficult conversation explaining to them why I could not join them for SO MANY reasons (my family is Palestinian).
Thank you so much for putting this into words. This is me, but replace Bollywood with anime, India with Japan...
I was thinking exactly the same thing reading this, being of Japanese origin. Now I live in France, it's even more the case because they are super, super into manga and anime here. It's really mainstream -- there's a manga section in small station bookshops. And people of my age grew up with it and often have fond memories even if they're not into it now.

Luckily most of the people I've met accept that I'm English and after the initial effort don't *keep* trying to talk to me about manga which is a relief. (This used to be more of a problem when I was a teenager when certain Japanopile people literally wouldn't accept that I wasn't the go-to encylopaedia for all things Japan-related.) Still, even when they're polite about it, there's always a niggling feeling that you're disappointing them, don't you find?
"I am allowed to identify in a number of different ways, and that shows how flimsy the whole notion of race is. Not that race is meaningless. Our actions and history have given it meaning. But it’s not hard to poke through."

Agree. It's weird but in a way I do believe that my being mixed race made my identity elastic in a way I'm not sure it would have been if I'd never had people questioning if I was Asian at all while others could only see that in me. I started realizing that people would see whatever they would see, and just because they believed it of me didn't make it true.

Sometimes I wonder if being biracial made it easier for me to realize that I was queer.
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I also think it's super interesting that in some ways it's easier to relate to other mixed race people than it can be to relate to the races you come from, because for many of us there are moments of "not quite being _____ enough" or not fitting in at family functions, or knowing first hand how freaked out people get when you don't easily fit into a racial category. I guess what I'm saying is I love hearing/reading people talk about being mixed race because I often find I end up understanding myself better (I hope that's not weird).
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InsertCoolNameHere · 477 weeks ago

So much this Jaya. I am never sure what part of me I am allowed to lay claim to. Puerto Rican, Russian and Indonesian up in here. I love that there are more and more pieces like this on The Toast.
This means so much to me, as a mixed race, fourth-generation American.

Especially this bit: "Why would I even expect to see my whole, exact self on TV?" I have been realizing lately how starved I am to see anyone remotely like me on TV, in books, or online. And yet, while I watch every single episode of Dr. Ken and Fresh off the Boat, and as a child I devoured all the YA books about the Triangle Shirtwaist factory...there aren't any narratives out there about Japanese-American Reform Jews, and I can't really expect there to be. Extrapolated to all the other aspects of being mixed race, and it becomes quite lonely. Reading this, recognizing and connecting to your experience is a great reminder that there's lots of us out there, and that we're not in fact alone.
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My mother is half-Japanese and I look very much like her, and despite the fact that I can't for the life of me remember what it was a commercial for, I will always remember sitting beside her, watching television, when a commercial showing a whole bunch of different people came on and she pointed at one of the women in the montage and went, "She looks like us!"

And that's stuck with me because that's the one time I remember my mother saying that ever, and it was for a person who was onscreen for maybe three seconds who might not even have said anything.
That's very poignant, thank you for sharing that.

I was wondering whether others realised quite late on that there weren't people who look like them on TV? Because the first time I remember noticing was when I was about 10 , which seems pretty late? Esp considering it's not as if I weren't made to feel different generally sometimes. I think I just accepted it as so normal, I didn't even really notice. And I only noticed around 10 yrs old because of circumstances that made it absolutely impossible not to -- I was invited to a fancy dress party where I had to go as a celebrity. And I got very upset because my classmates were discussing who to go as and who people looked like and I literally couldn't think of anyone I could look like (that my classmates would recognize). In the end I just went as a famous white person.
I didn't explicitly realize it until around my junior year of high school, when I was talking about representation of people of color on television to my (white) boyfriend. And I realized suddenly––"oh, that's me. I've never had anyone that looked like me." It was part of the beginning of my identifying explicitly as non-white.
That's interesting. Yeah I didn't explicitly identify as non-white for ages. What you say reminds me of the time I was talking about mixed race relationships and until my boyfriend mentioned something about it, it hadn't occurred to me to include our relationship is one. Which is probably the weirdest 'somehow default-thinking I'm white' that I've ever done. In some ways I guess it's not surprising because I grew up disproportionately surrounded by white people but then again it's surprising for exactly the same reason.
I...have never even considered myself as existing in a mixed race relationship. Even though all my relationships have been, and I've been very aware of being in an interfaith relationship. WEIRD.
Not precisely the same, but I have a very good friend who is a Chinese-American Reform Jew, and she writes about it and also makes dances about it:
https://sarahextranjera.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/...
Hi from another Japanese-American Reform Jew! :D
The only thing I can really add to this conversation is that I'm really enjoying this new podcast called the Mash-Up Americans that's about race and culture, but in ways you might not expect. The hosts are funny and great - worth a listen!
I don't mean to drive the conversation away from race, but I wanted to thank you, because reading this has helped me put into words something I'm worried about four my own future.

As a mostly-straight girl with an MtF partner who has not yet switched pronouns, If I meet anyone, as soon as they find out my partner is a woman, I will just be "The Lesbian Girl". This will be the defining characteristic people will associate with me. But not only is that technically incorrect (I wouldn't even say I'm bi at this point, to be honest), I will be expected to have all these experiences that I haven't had. I was never a tomboy, I never "came out", I didn't have awkward teenage angst because of sexual orientation, I didn't lust after straight friends or fight for gay marriage. I won't be allowed to identify as straight anymore but I don't feel queer either. It's an odd feeling.
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Oh, man, that's so real, and also, I hope that you find lots of folks who can hold & reflect your actual experience. I have a couple suggestions for books/blogs if you want.
Actually, I would love some!
You must be going through such an interesting phase of your life; I'm sorry we live in a society that makes you feel burdened by such a journey. I'm a woman married to a woman, and I am not "The Lesbian Girl." I'm a human being with thoughts and interests and dreams and desires.

Fear not, for not all lesbians or queer people have had the same experiences. It may seem that way on the surface - sort of the way stereotypes are made to function, unfortunately - but everyone is different, just as you've gotten to this point in your life through your own unique experiences.

You get to define you. No one else, not even your partner. You get to choose what you want to be called, and it's on the rest of us to respect that. It's not your burden.

I wish you the very best, and I hope you find people and places who don't make you compromise yourself for their comfort.
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Sulagna Misra · 477 weeks ago

I loved this whole thing, but this especially:

"My theory is that being mixed race blows the whole thing open. I am allowed to identify in a number of different ways, and that shows how flimsy the whole notion of race is. Not that race is meaningless. Our actions and history have given it meaning. But it’s not hard to poke through."

This essay is so well done that I really get a sense of the ephemeral nature of what you're feeling. Does that make sense? Like I read your piece but I also feel like these are true and authentic words about something that's constantly in flux.

Also the idea of not seeing ourselves fully -- I feel that every time I see people reacting to race and gender related things that are anathema. It can be anything from "wow, you're this AND this??" to "I've never met an ____ who likes this."
this whole piece and this forever:

"I don’t know why all these experiences feel like contradictions. I am not a contradiction. My life does not fit into a narrative essay. Why do I need to prove that to you?"
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thelovelyjazmin · 477 weeks ago

I know I'm late and all the Toasties are on to the next thing but, in case there is anyone around:

Any recs for personal essays (or books or blogs or whatever) by people who are biracial but not white?
Why would I even expect to see my whole, exact self on TV?

I think everyone goes through those moments where you realize you are not like anybody else. None of us are. There are just some life experiences that make you realize it faster.

...truest thing EVER. Thank you so much for this essay/ramble.

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