Movie Yelling: Things About The Witch That Got My Dander Right Up, Like The Ending And All The Stuff That Came Before It -The Toast

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So everyone’s talking about how mad The Witch made us, the American moviegoing dum-dum, and it did make me mad, and I am one of those dum-dums, and I am not going to let the conversation turn into “why can’t these audiences desperate for gore and mindless knife-thrusting sit back and enjoy a really period-accurate movie about people saying “thee” to each other and shucking rotted corn for like seven hours?” Not on my fucking watch, pal.

A of all, I’ve seen The White Ribbon and The Babadook, so you’re not going to get me to feel bad about my dumb lizard-brain; I get that not all horror movies are going to be Black Christmas or Mannequin or Martyrs and I don’t even want them to be! What I do want them to have: SOME HORROR.

Here’s what I will concede is boss as hell about The Witch

  • the trailer
  • the woods
  • those creepy stalks of corn in their garden
  • that bananas scene where the raven is like pluck-plucking its beak on the mom’s breast and it’s like that super-freaky tableau of THE DEVIL’S BREASTFEEDING, that got me but good
  • my friend Jos said afterwards that it wasn’t a raven, it was a crow (or vice versa, my friend Jos says a lot of things and I don’t always pay attention, not because he’s not interesting but because I’m not always interested in learning things, which is really more about me than it is about him) and he said something like “if it’s by itself, it’s a raven; if it’s in a flock, it’s a crow,” by which he meant that one is solitary and one travels in packs but which I took to mean as “a raven by itself will turn into a crow if it meets another raven” which I thought was really fascinating until he gently corrected me, I should really listen to Jos more
  • They definitely all acted up a storm, especially the dad and the little dude who played Caleb, they were for sure Acting the hell up and I respect that
  • END OF LIST

I don’t know, man, there were some really great moments in the movie but they were punctuated by eight hours of just filming the back of some kid’s head and a lot of dialogue that felt like it was super impressed with itself. “Tither gone the mickle prayn’t, Motherling?” Like, yes, those words are VERY old, okay??

Here’s my real problem: there is about four minutes all told of the blood-milk and the creepy baby-smashing and in between there’s just not a lot going on. Like, at one point the dad says “We have no crops! We’re definitely not going to last the winter,” and it would be great, at that point, to start seeing some consequences of what he just said, but nope, next scene they’re at dinner and we literally never see them go hungry. I WANNA SEE EM GET GAUNT AND WORRIED. Give me some consequences! Like: the horse goes missing and they lose all the animals they trapped, but everyone’s dead before they get a chance to miss them. Let ’em swing before you cut ’em down, The Witch!

I also super appreciated that they had the baby disappear within the first five minutes, rad choice, but then follow it up with some creepy shit! You have a farm full of animals and none of them mysteriously dies! A field full of creepy-ass corn stalks and none of them get rearranged in a freaky-ass pattern or like, I dunno, hides a hornet’s nest in it, only the hornets are more witches. Look, I’m not a writer. I just like slow but steady escalation of the stakes in my scary movies.

I also REFUSE TO BELIEVE what this movie asks of us, which is that after like [checks watch] three weeks in the woods, ten-year-old Caleb (he’s MAYBE eleven, but he’s definitely ten) is already surreptitiously (heh) checking out his older sister’s rack of breasts? That is SO FAST! I feel like you need to establish a longer pattern of isolation before some little dude is like, “Welp, time to gaze upon the breasts of my sister, verily and sirrah.”

Other problems include:

  • So the devil at the end asks Thomasin if she wants to “live deliciously” and promises her butter dresses and world travel, but look at what he has actually handed out to the previous witches: a shitty hut alone in the woods and nothing! This is a piece of shit deal, man!
  • Also, like, if you are going to try and ramp up the religious paranoia, which, fine, don’t make it immediately clear that the witch is mega-real! There is literally zero ambiguity about witches throughout the movie, just like, yep, fuckin’ witch out there, she wanted one (1) baby but doesn’t even turn up to see her handiwork at the end of the movie when everyone’s goat-murdered and face-split to death? Okay, bub, that’s like missing Witch Graduation
  • That little girl was a bitch. I don’t have anything else to say about it. She was just a real bitch.
  • Oh, the rabbits were freaky, I’ll give you that. Definitely a freaky rabbit.
  • So many close-ups of the back of everyone’s head! AND YET: it never paid off? Everyone’s head was always the same.
  • Man, I GET IT, okay, the movie’s very like, “whoa, what if puberty were DANGEROUS, what if young women’s bodies were THREATENING, whoa whoa WHOA,” which is fine and basically what’s kept the genre alive and also kind of what gave us Gingersnaps, but like, it is VERY ON THE NOSE and I can handle ON THE NOSE if you also scare me (and I am not hard to scare! Signs scared me a few times!)
  • HAVE THE MOM GO BANANAS AND TRY TO KILL EVERYBODY SOONER. HAVE THE GOAT DO CREEPY THINGS EARLIER. MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN RESEMBLING ANY THING. It’s just super-loud violins and not enough super-loud violence, is what I’m saying now and also what I said last night to my friend Jos outside the theater, and he sort of chuckled but I really wanted a bigger laugh so I’m trying that line out again now, even though I pretty much cribbed it from Roseanne Roseannadanna

In conclusion, don’t let anyone make you feel dumb because you didn’t enjoy a lot of people from East Yorkshire moaning about Calvinism for thirty hours before a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it bloodbath. And I love Calvinism! There are great-ass scary movies to be made about religious paranoia (MARTYRS FOR INSTANCE) and also isolation (END OF THE LINE, THE THING) that still know how to effectively raise the stakes and establish a real sense of danger!

P.S. Miss me with that “is it FEMINIST” nonsense? All we know that witches do in this universe is actually smash up babies and make out with twelve-year-olds to death, so, I don’t see how that’s in any way better than Thomasin’s life before, which was mostly about working on a farm, I know we are solidly against Puritans in These Modern Times, but they did not establish that her life before was so shitty that her cool new witch life is going to be fun, it pretty much looked like the Michigan Womyn’s Festival, which I have never once been tempted to attend (N.B. If I am really honest with myself, Jos got off that Michigan Womyn’s Festival line, and I was pretty mad because it was better than my violence/violins line, but he deserves the real joke credit here. Sorry, Jos. You’re right about crows and you were really nice about my stealing your joke, which of course made me feel worse. Okay back to the movie). Like: her parents were PRETTY TENDER with one another before all their children started dying. She misses windows and England, okay, that’s fine, not a super easy motive to identify with, but okay.

P.P.S. SOME REAL MORE MISSED OPPORTUNITIES HERE. Like, these dudes are clearly familiar with all those Goya and Falero paintings and could have set up so many more creepy and demonic-looking tableaux and just entirely didn’t. “Visually, let’s just go with another shot of corn.” Okay. I gotta go kick some air, I’m still mad, guys.

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"Look, I’m not a writer." LIES UPON LIES THEE GOODY ORTBERG
1 reply · active 449 weeks ago
Now that I have all the spoilers I think I am going to watch this horror movie ("horror" movie?) even though the last one I watched was The Ring and FUCK YOU THE RING.
4 replies · active 474 weeks ago
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Christin · 474 weeks ago

THANK YOU. I saw a screener months ago and have been dying to talk about this movie with someone.

I just keep saying: if you think The Wicker Man (original flavor) has a happy ending, this movie is a disappointment.
6 replies · active 458 weeks ago
can we all agree the twins were weird looking, like their faces didn't seem right and their gums were too big
5 replies · active 472 weeks ago
Will end up seeing this regardless, despite my living in the depths of New England. In the woods. In the fog. Amongst the moldering vegetation. Beplagued by ravens. With some honest to god slow burn creepiness at my parents' farmhouse. Like five years of slow burn creepy. Apparently the things in the woods like taking their own sweet time.

...not that I'm in any hurry for the bloodbath, but I'm getting sick of vague ominous feelings every time I'm there. Also the back of everyone's heads.
2 replies · active 474 weeks ago
I saw The Witch with my bestie, at a late night showing in Texas (Work trip FTW!) and I was kinda...let down? Not air-kicking mad, but more sad that they didn't seem to know what to do with the movie.

There were freakier things (and scarier things) in the Alamo's pre-film witchery super-cut than in the movie itself.
I mean, either go full-bore horror or ratchet up the atmosphere and make it entirely about a family tearing itself apart out of pure paranoia. Keep the blink-and-he's-missing baby and the failing crops and the weird animals but skip actual witch/devil nonsense altogether. I somehow think that would have worked better?

It was also weird watching it after having read Stacy Schiff's The Witches recently. That book is all questions and no firm answers and took a lot of stick for it in reviews (unfairly, I think). This movie's answers were too darn glib.

Essentially, it is no Babadook, which is the movie that scared me the most (and for the longest time afterward) of any movie in thirty plus years. I haven't been so scared since watching Poltergeist at age 12 - and that movie made me bury my baby sister's clown doll in the woods for some protective pre-teen reason.
8 replies · active 473 weeks ago
"Rack of breasts"
4 replies · active 474 weeks ago
I thought it was great, maybe I'm a pretentious boy but I loved that it put character and culture and subtlety over putting a lot of creepy junk. I love creepy junk but it is risky cuz it can be really dumb and the witch studiously avoids being dumb IMO. This is a churlish thing to say but expectations are important and I somehow had the expectation it would be tasteful and restrained and was not disappointed.
6 replies · active 473 weeks ago
Nope sorry, lost me at "baby is taken within the first five minutes" NOPE
7 replies · active 473 weeks ago
I had been intrigued by this when I saw the preview. Thank you for seeing it so that I can read your rage and not have to feel my own.
I'm seeing this with a coven of fellow-lesbians tomorrow and am greatly looking forward to discussions of the feminine as horrific.
4 replies · active 473 weeks ago
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drlemaster · 474 weeks ago

I always figured the best defense when accused of witchcraft would be, "Have you seen where I live? Don't you think I'd be able to afford better than this dump if I had some sort of deal with Satan?"
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democritusiii · 474 weeks ago

Signs WAS scary at times. Like the reveal of the alien on television, or that scene where Joaquin Phoenix's character almost enlisted to escape the economic and social doldrums of small town Pennsylvania.
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EvaDestruction · 474 weeks ago

Jos is wrong about crows and ravens, so feel good about your disinclination to learn about corvids from him, Mallory.
18 replies · active 462 weeks ago
Mallory, I realize this is jokey and hyperbolic, but you nailed all the problems I had with this movie.

Like yes, escalate the tension; yes, don't let all the air out of your "family tearing itself through irrational religious hysteria" theme by immediately establishing that their religious hysteria is completely rational, because witches are real; and yes, absolutely let the family twist in the wind a while before destroying them, because the way this movie did it, none of their internal conflict ended up mattering anyway. Did it ever seem like if the family just stuck together, they could have saved themselves from the witch, thus lending their infighting an air of tragic irony? Fuck no, it was obvious from the beginning that the witch was gonna kill 'em all, then she did, the end.

But pros: the music was real creepy, and I thought the sets and costumes looked super authentic to me, a person who knows almost nothing about Puritan Times.
2 replies · active 474 weeks ago
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bellmaison · 474 weeks ago

So I will never see this movie because horror is not for me, but I did just read the wikipedia summary, and despite all of the terrible things that happen, the fact that the summary includes a link to the real live wikipedia article on WITCHES FLYING OINTMENT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_ointment)!? I'm just really that that article exists.
"I know we are solidly against Puritans in These Modern Times"

BUT THE PURITANS WERE BONKERS IN THE MOST FASCINATING WAYS AND KIND OF WEIRDLY PROGRESSIVE IN THEIR APPROACHES TO GOVERNANCE* AND LITERACY. And also when people say this about puritanism or people being ~puritanical~ about sex or whatnot, they almost always actually mean the Victorians?

Anyway, if anyone is interested in my "John Calvin is actually a really interesting guy" rant, I'm here for you.

*At least in theory, I know my Cromwell and yeah, they botched the whole... Interregnum thing. But the American Puritans! They were into banning dancing and whatnot, but they also kind of came up with a bunch of ideas about proto-democracy? And Puritan ideas about the individual's capacity to interpret religious text are really cool! Congregational control of churches was a radical concept!
7 replies · active 474 weeks ago
Is anyone else missing the end of the last paragraph? "...establish a real sense of...? Of what? I must know!
2 replies · active 474 weeks ago
Honestly, just give me creepy stalks of corn and I'm SOLD. (As long as Mel Gibson is not involved).
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Chesty La Rue · 474 weeks ago

There were so many different directions this movie could have gone, instead of the completely directionless one they chose.

1. MAKE IT ABOUT THE WITCH. Don't let it just be a clever name, focus on that creepy, naked monster. I liked her! Seemed like there was a lot to work with there.

2. More twins! More Black Philip in goat form! Their crazy goat whispering was the best part for me. I may or may not have gone home and attempted to conjure all of my pets to spaketh to me.

3. Let that crazy mom do her thing. Kate Dickie is fantastic, and the dynamic with her and Thomasin after the baby disappeared would have made for a very scary movie.

4. Just show the true horror of how hard they would have worked all day, and how depressed they must have been allllllllllllll the time. They lost me within the first 15 minutes when their house and outbuildings had seemingly sprung up overnight.
1 reply · active 474 weeks ago
Awwww I wanted to see this. Maybe not so much now.

Also I'm with you on the easily-scared bit. I legit SHRIEKED multiple times during Signs. But I also have mild phobias for 1. aliens 2. ominous things you can't see, so really, it may as well have said "April will find this so frightening she's gonna sleep with the lights on for two weeks" on the poster.
3 replies · active 473 weeks ago
I'm 100% never going to see this film because there's a special section of my brain dedicated to NEVER FORGETTING scary stuff I've seen and periodically bringing it out at 3am for a surprise airing. BUT. Something I have never understood about movies/tv and maybe someone smart can explain to me:

That thing where a monster is an obvious and sympathetic stand in for a minority ('God hates Fangs'), but then they're actually kind of evil so the (NO GOOD VILLAIN) people hunting them kinda have a point. There wasn't a vampire in True Blood that hadn't done at least one murder. ?????????
4 replies · active 473 weeks ago
"So many close-ups of the back of everyone’s head! AND YET: it never paid off? Everyone’s head was always the same."

I'd like Mallory to review all movies in this vein, and also narrate real life, docking points from passers-by for having uninspiring, pedestrian heads.
1 reply · active 474 weeks ago
Not having seen this movie (and lacking critical thinking skills today, apparently), I thought you were trying to tell me there was a scene with ravens and bananas pecking a woman. Actual, literal bananas.
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scottgoblue314 · 474 weeks ago

THANK YOU. I was actively rooting for everyone to hurry up and die by the end, and by the sound of it so was much of the theater. I *applauded* when Black Phillip gored the dad, and then groaned when dad was killed by his woodpile. Ugh, spare me the irony. (Sidebar: that goat was a tremendous screen presence imho)
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bellmaison · 474 weeks ago

aaaaand that link won't work because the punctuation got included... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_ointment
anyway. i'm still really excited about how seriously people apparently used to take the idea that witches needed a special kind of ointment to fly.
2 replies · active 474 weeks ago
Cosign on "Miss me with that 'is it FEMINIST' nonsense?"
I have a hard time seeing this movie as about feminine power or oppression or whatever; it's about PURE EVIL and the kind of bananas theology you have to concoct to live in a world where PURE EVIL exists. If you want a feminist witch movie, watch Practical Magic or something (I love Practical Magic). Like, OF COURSE these settlers are deranged with terror: a woman with the power of the LITERAL ACTUAL DEVIL could come out of the woods and PUREE THEIR BABIES.
BUT THE ENDING! I loved that ending. (Spoilers) I 100% believe that everything should end with goats being satan. Golden Girls could have ended that way and I'da been pleased. Rosebud was totally satan goat! Plus, it was a relief since I love goats and it was a blow to have the other goats meet a grizzly end. Satan goat is safe!
2 replies · active 474 weeks ago
Sigh. This is why I seldom go to movies anymore.
"Tither gone the mickle prayn’t, Motherling?"

I thought I should maybe see this because of the 17th century & now I don't have to. Thank you, Mallory!
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Christin · 474 weeks ago

Mallory would you say this movie... gets your goat?
2 replies · active 474 weeks ago
I totally understand being scared by Signs - I saw it in theaters and during the basement scene I kept having to fully turn around in my seat and stare at the projector to convince myself that it was JUST a MOVIE, no one is actually in ANY PERIL especially MYSELF
2 replies · active 474 weeks ago
So what I can't tell from reviews, etc., is if the movie has any real sympathy or love for Thomasin.
7 replies · active 474 weeks ago
Okay, normally I politely refuse to acknowledge small errors in people's writing, but I was left with a wonderful mental image of the devil offering me a butter dress, and that must be acknowledged and shared.

Also crows are the best birds. I am not just saying this because I owe them money.
2 replies · active 473 weeks ago
Jos is super wrong about ravens and crows. Why am I inexplicably hateful towards Jos now?
1 reply · active 474 weeks ago

The promoted content for this piece is pretty great.
I liked it, I thought it had a good buildup, and that smile at the end! So great. I wanted it to be like A Field In England in its tone, and it kind of was. I don't get why people are comparing it to the Babadook? But I get why other people don't like it.
I fucking loved this movie. I loved it to the point where I'm already planning a solo trip to the second-run movie theatre to see a matinee when it comes in. I pre-bought it on Google Play so I can watch it again the minute it comes online. I just loved the way it looked and I loved listening to the dialogue even if I couldn't understand 85% of it and I loved the oppressive skies and forest and the violins and screeching and and and Thomasin witch TWINS exorcism corn Kate Dickie's face witch body baby raven witch cottage AH. I loved it all.
1. I wish every movie review included spoilers because otherwise what is even the point.

2. Mallory claims this movie is not scary but what is more terrifying than AN ANTHROPOMORPHIC GOAT. Although, to be fair, an anthropomorphic goat was the subject of my worst recurring nightmare as a child. Shudder.
I have never seen Martyrs because literally just READING the Wikipedia plot summary gave me nightmares. FUCK THAT.

Anyway, the crow bit was totally the best and the dog part was the worst. Did the twins die in the end, or disappear, or what? I think I liked this movie but it definitely needed some more creepy crop formations.
As a person who missed Witch Graduation on purpose, I might have gone if it had involved more goat-murdering. Dianics just aren't quite that exciting, though.
Ok but regarding Signs not being that scary I'm going to have to disagree, because lemme tell ya, I saw that movie at a friend's house when I was about 12 or 13 and for the next few weeks I was SURE I WAS GOING TO BE MURDERED BY ALIENS.
This movie was amazing and I am shocked to disagree with Mallory for the first time
I saw this today and was really hoping for it to be much more of a psychological thriller: I agree 100% that the early reveal totally punctured this movie. If we KNOW Thomasin isn't the witch what's the point? Also, Caleb's "Jesus!" scene. He certainly was acting.
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Lalolallama · 473 weeks ago

Alright, you know why satan showed in the form of a bunny- it is an actual religious symbol used by Celtic pagans. And some person is probably going to say 'well, actually, it's because documents of witch trials said witches took the form of hares'. No shit, dude- it comes from Celtic lore where the goddess takes the form of a hare. And someone else is going to say 'well modern Wicca isn't based in historical fact' and I am going to say in your face, sukkah, there are Druids chilling in Ireland right now with ancient manuscripts documenting their practices. Also, are you trying to say nee nee we can depict your religious symbols as we like because all of your ancestors were burned for liking them and you can't prove shit? That is cold, imaginary person.
William was Chris Finch from The Office? I knew I recognized that ridiculous boom from somewhere! I loved it, and the performances are one of the main reasons. They reeled me in and more than made up for any stretches of not much happening. Especially when Caleb came back for the last time and Thomasin's confrontation with her Dad about his major failings.
I have to say I hate stuff like this and the tv show Salem that suggest that the witch hunting mass panic was even a little justified. It was the Age of Enlightenment yet there were so many people believing in hysterical bullshit and superstition, and many innocent people died. Anyone trying to attach actual supernatural meaning to it is contributing to the kind of illogical moral panic shite that allows things like this to happen again and again.

OK, rant over. I just needed to get that out. Thanks.
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Leslie Kendall Dye · 472 weeks ago

Psst... When you notice the acting, that means the acting isn't good. I one hundred percent fault the director when this happens. But you are NOT supposed to notice the acting. If you find yourself using the phrase "acting up a storm," to describe the acting, the director has failed; I don't care how beautiful the sets and costumes and lighting are. OK. I feel I can now go on with my day.
There was no witch!

Thomasin was a sociopath and Lizzie Borden'ed her family. At the end she had a complete mental break with her reality.

If you re-watch the movie you see AND hear little clues pointing to Thomasin as the killer.
عرفت مؤخرا العاب بنات جديدة انتشارا كبيرة وكما انها اكتسبت جماهير كتيرة واغلبها البنات فهن يلعبن اكتر من الاولاد لهذا نجد ان هذا النوع هو المشهور والمنتشر اكتر في مواقع الالعاب وكما ان هذا النوع بدوره يشمل اصناف كتيرة سنتعرف عليها الان ومن بينها العاب الطبخ الدي يملك معجبين كتر جدا ويعتبر هو الاول تم يليه العاب التلبيس وهذا الآخر ممتع ويحبه الكتير لان التلبيس تعشقه البنات اكتر من الاولاد وهذا امر بديهي ومعروف وبعده بالتتابع يوجد العاب المكياج او الميك اب نوع جميل ومحبوب عند الصغار والكبار ويبقى في الاخير نوع قص الشعر وهو الاقل اهتماما سواء من الاولاد او البنات وكانت هذه جميعها اصناف العاب بنات .
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